The eleven were confirmed as teachers with authority by Jesus in that scenario prior to Jesus returning to the father. They had been sufficiently trained at that point to preach ONLY Jesus' interpretation of scripture and to baptize all nations into the body of Christ.
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Can someone explain the Trinity please...
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Correct. TRADITION assembled scripture/canon.
Actually, the bishops got together and quizzed each other as to what their particular churches believed and what scriptures they used. The majority won. Tradition came before scripture. Tradition assembled the bible you use.
Well, that's not scriptural and it is a man-made tradition of Jehovah's Witnesses. I can't find a need for a pre-baptism test in the bible. Hey Cornelius, come over here. I have a pre-baptism test for you. Go get um, Peter. Mark on a bell curve. LOL
"Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ? 17Since there is one bread, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread. 18Look at the nation Israel; are not those who eat the sacrifices sharers in the altar?" (1 Cor. 10:16-18
moorea944
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Is there any scripture that tells us that it is twice daily? I think the apostle just did it just once at the beginning of the week. Acts 20. I think twice daily is what man just wants to do in his own church. Has nothing to do with the bible or the early church started by the apostles.
Kolibri
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“The practice of infant baptism was unknown at this period. . . . That not till so late a period as (at least certainly not earlier than) Irenaeus [c. 140-203 C.E.], a trace of infant baptism appears, and that it first became recognised as an apostolic tradition in the course of the third century, is evidence rather against than for the admission of its apostolic origin.”—History of the Planting and Training of the Christian Church by the Apostles, 1864, p. 162.
Seems to me much of the tradition came after the foretold apostasy that was already trying to destroy the Christian faith from with even in Paul's day. Once John was dead, Judizers and Greek philosophers changed much. Now you have centuries of tradition to fall back on as if it were fact. Did not change the fact that the Jewish religious leaders did exactly the same thing over the centuries between the days of Ezra till the 1st century. Seems like Satan used the same trick twice.
Seems to me much of the tradition came after the foretold apostasy that was already trying to destroy the Christian faith from with even in Paul's day. Once John was dead, Judizers and Greek philosophers changed much. Now you have centuries of tradition to fall back on as if it were fact. Did not change the fact that the Jewish religious leaders did exactly the same thing over the centuries between the days of Ezra till the 1st century. Seems like Satan used the same trick twice.
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Muslims believe Jesus was a messenger of Allah.They believe that he was just a man and no son of God but merely a messenger.A prophet as you will.Muslims also believe that Jesus was not killed on a cross or stake but whisked away into the sky by Allah.
I do not agree with any of this.I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of the Most High Jehovah the God of Israel.I do believe Jesus was killed on a stake or pole.I believe Jesus was placed in a tomb and was resurrected by Jehovah God and ascended to heaven 40 days later.This is the total opposite of what you stated.
You said Muslims do not believe in the Trinity.Many people do not believe in the Trinity.Atheist do not,so does that make me an atheist too?
You say I hold the same beliefs.You are 100% mistaken.
You stated you have proved I am more like a Muslim than Christian.What you have proved is your lack of knowledge with your own words.I did not have to do anything but let you talk.You served yourself brother.
There is scripture. Mass is offered twice a day, in the morning and the evening. Larger parishes may offer it more than twice. Smaller parishes maybe once a day. Now when you consider the time zones on earth, there is a mass going on somewhere at every moment on earth. Thus, the continual sacrifice is being offered as per scripture. Also, if a church has a bell tower, it will ring three times a day as a call to prayer in accordance with the Orthodox Jewish requirement to pray three times a day.
"Now this is what you shall offer upon the altar: two lambs a year old day by day continually. One lamb you shall offer in the morning, and the other lamb you shall offer in the evening;Exodus 29:38-39
Numbers 28:1-6 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, My offering, and my bread for my sacrifices made by fire, for a sweet savour unto me, shall ye observe to offer unto me in their due season. And thou shalt say unto them, This is the offering made by fire which ye shall offer unto the LORD; two lambs of the first year without spot day by day, for a continual burnt offering. The one lamb shalt thou offer in the morning, and the other lamb shalt thou offer at even; And a tenth part of an ephah of flour for a meat offering, mingled with the fourth part of an hin of beaten oil. It is a continual burnt offering, which was ordained in mount Sinai for a sweet savour, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD.
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Another thing,you stated, "Let me help you in your studies. The two most basic articles of orthodox Christian faith are: Jesus is God and is part of the Trinity."
These two most basic articles as you call them are nothing more than false doctrines.Those who do not fully comprehend the word of God believe what they are told by others.It is when one prays,reads and studies on their own that they come to know truth.It is all there in the holy scriptures but you have to really study and search for truth like for hidden treasure.Just like I was telling another individual earlier,you must search for the knowledge of God like one who is searching for silver.That is what the holy scriptures says in Proverbs 2:4
Here is what I wrote him.Try yo figure it out.
What don't you understand? You can twist all you want by throwing in meaningless details on the life of Jesus but the truth is clear. You don't hold to the two most important beliefs of orthodox Christianity:that Jesus is God and that there is a Trinity.
Once again, if you can't hold to the two most basic beliefs of orthodox Christianity, your theology is more like a Muslim than a Christian. And that's a fact, Jack.
Use your head, you believe in Jehovah God. That doesn't make you an atheist, a Hindu, a Buddist, etc.
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There is no minimum requirement.This is not some club brother.No one ever said to do mass twice a day.
Only if they study via your false translation of the bible. Why don't you have the fortitude to study via the KJV which the JW's used before the NWT? Then come back and tell us what you've learned? See, when you flip flop from using one bible to the next, you make Jehovah into a God of confusion. The light shining brighter falsehood that you promote is just a cover up for error. Face it.
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Your mind is stuck on the word test.Forget about that word.Concentrate on what is at hand.
A person wanting to become baptized in order to serve God can not do so unless they know why.You just don't say ok I want to get baptized because mom said so, or everyone in my church is doing it.You seem to be under the impression that you can just get baptized and everything is hunky dory.Not so.When Jesus preached people heard the message and then if they felt the truth penetrate their hearts they would get baptized and dedicate themselves to God.The requirement for baptism is knowing who God is and understanding His message in the holy scriptures.Once you come to understand this, then it is wise to dedicate the rest of your life to serving God.This is a serious step.It is not just dipping in water.It is a lifetime commitment that has consequences.
As I've stated, when you strip the Jewishness out of Christianity, you're left with comments like yours.
Did Jesus and the Apostles go to the synagogue every week as Orthodox Jews? Think about it. Did they offer the todah in thanksgiving for an act of salvation from God? Think about it. The individual todah can be offered as many times as a person wants. Passover is the community todah/thanksgiving that is offered only once a year. Jesus was offering an individual todah not the Passover todah, as scripture states that they were reclining at table. They were not standing as required for Passover.
Put the two together. Liturgy of the Word+Liturgy of the Todah/Eucharist/Thanksgiving=The Catholic Mass or Orthodox Divine Liturgy. Totally scriptural.
Jesus and the apostles would feel right at home at Mass or a Divine Liturgy and they would fully understand what was going on. Your memorial service would leave them confused and clueless. They'd probably get busted for partaking of the 'emblems.' LOL
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Yes....here we have Jesus speaking to his disciples. Jesus was speaking to them,not you or anyone else.He was speaking to the 1st century christians.We do not belong to this class of individuals.These were people who walked with christ in the 1st century and were eventually blessed with the holy spirit 50 days later at the Pentecost of 33C.E. These who are part of this covenant with Jesus Christ will serve with him in heaven.We are not part of this event.Those who are blessed with the holy spirit can partake of these emblems symbolically representing the flesh of Christ.It is not literal and it does not pertain to us.We are not of this fold.We are of the other flock. Since you and I are not part of this class, we then,participate in the event to show respect for God's Son, Jesus Christ.We pass the emblems and read passages from the holy scriptures leading up to Jesus last days.This is done on Nissan 14th during a full moon just as it happened when Jesus was put to death.
Of course I'm stuck on the word test. It's not scriptural. And your organization prides itself on being scriptural.
Just show me in scripture that a test is required in front of elders to qualify for baptism?
Eeeyah. It's Paul speaking to a congregation, not Jesus.
And once again, your God is discriminatory as he doesn't treat his children equally. Not much of a God.
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No brother you have it backwards again.You keep saying I "strip the Jewishness out of Christianity" yet you have no understanding of the holy scriptures.You do know that circumcision is not required anymore in Christianity right? That was the covenant between God and Abraham.Christianity did away with this practice of law.Now everyone serving God is a spiritual Jew.That is why Paul spoke of circumcision of the heart.
Romans 2:28,29.…28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
So we can see that Christians are not required to literally circumcise themselves anymore as is required by Jewish law still for Jews.
Romans 2:27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
The Sabbath is no longer valid.It has been done away with.The Sabbath is still practiced by Jews but no longer a requirement for Christians.The Sabbath is on Saturday and has been since the beginning.Catholicism says it is Sunday.They are 100% wrong.Saturday is the 7th day.Look on your calendar.Sunday is the first day of the week.Now go look at a Jewish calendar.Anyway..........
Kosher law is no longer in effect for Christians.A Christian can eat anything they want as long as they pray for it.It is called Thanksgiving.Everything with the exception of blood of course.Jews still practice Kosher law.
READ THIS
1 Timothy 4:3-5. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
So there we have it.Jewish customs being removed and no longer considered valid because of the new covenant God made with all of mankind.It is not only for the Jew anymore but for the Jew and the Gentile.Meaning,the entire world.Everybody!
So,who is it that is stripping away Jewishness from Christianity again?
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You are hung up on little things and are placing stumbling blocks in front of yourself.You need to set aside your traditional thinking and start listening to God's word.Actually study and pay attention.
"That Christian baptism required an understanding of God’s Word and an intelligent decision to present oneself to do the revealed will of God was evident when, at Pentecost, 33 C.E., the Jews and proselytes there assembled, who already had a knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures, heard Peter speak about Jesus the Messiah, with the result that 3,000 “embraced his word heartily” and “were baptized.” (Ac 2:41; 3:19–4:4; 10:34-38)"
Baptism — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY