Can someone explain the Trinity please...

[Wharton]

Look at this video.The brother asked the people who are about to get baptized 2 questions in public about whether or not they fully understand what is about to take place.Once they say yes they all pray to God and commence.

JW-New JW's - YouTube by Bible Student posted Nov 11, 2014

Ps.The first 36 seconds says it all.

Please stop the nonsense. The question was: is there a test required to get to that point in the video you posted. Since you can't give a straight answer, I'll post the unscriptural answer from your official JW website for you and the forum to see.

"Let the coordinator of the body of elders of your congregation know that you want to get baptized. He will arrange for some elders to review with you a number of questions that cover the Bible’s basic teachings. If these elders agree that you qualify, they will tell you that you can be baptized at the next opportunity.* A talk reviewing the meaning of baptism is usually given on such occasions. The speaker then invites all baptism candidates to answer two simple questions as one way to make a verbal “public declaration” of their faith.

22 It is the baptism itself that publicly identifies you as a person who has made a dedication to God and is now one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Baptism candidates are fully immersed in water to show publicly that they have made a dedication to Jehovah."

I hear its 100 questions.

I can just see John the Baptist and Jesus in the Jordan. Hey Jesus, where do you think you're going? Get in that line over there. My disciples have a few questions for you before you get dunked.

 

[Wharton]

And maybe I should insist on all Johns and Juans to be called Yehohanan...even though no one in either English or Spanish speaking communities would have any idea what I was talking about.

Better yet, let's just call them all Mister or Senior, refusing to use their name because it does not conform to our standard.

Their names are known as fact. God's is not.

 

[Wharton]

My brother, who is a ministerial servant, once told me that a friend of his, who is a brother, once witnessed a person partaking of the emblems.That brother asked the person how is it they know that they are part of the 144,000.The lady replied to him, "the way you know you are a man is the way I know I am one." So this lady just knew and felt it in her heart.it was as natural as anything.I have only witnessed this once in my life.Back in 1984 I saw a woman partaking.I just remember staring at her and wondering about it.

What happens when you exceed the 144,000? Do some get downgraded?

 

[Kolibri]

Please stop the nonsense. The question was: is there a test required to get to that point in the video you posted. Since you can't give a straight answer, I'll post the unscriptural answer from your official JW website for you and the forum to see.

"Let the coordinator of the body of elders of your congregation know that you want to get baptized. He will arrange for some elders to review with you a number of questions that cover the Bible’s basic teachings. If these elders agree that you qualify, they will tell you that you can be baptized at the next opportunity.* A talk reviewing the meaning of baptism is usually given on such occasions. The speaker then invites all baptism candidates to answer two simple questions as one way to make a verbal “public declaration” of their faith.

22 It is the baptism itself that publicly identifies you as a person who has made a dedication to God and is now one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Baptism candidates are fully immersed in water to show publicly that they have made a dedication to Jehovah."

I hear its 100 questions.

I can just see John the Baptist and Jesus in the Jordan. Hey Jesus, where do you think you're going? Get in that line over there. My disciples have a few questions for you before you get dunked.

The Jews already had the law. Their culture demanded it of them. They did not need much to adjust. Neither did the Ethiopian eunuch that Philip baptized. This man already had a culture seeped in the scriptures. We do not live in such a simple time and place where so little knowledge needed to be added. There is an open book review of some questions, under 3 broad sections. These are to make sure that the person knows what they are getting into.

One section is about elementary Bible teachings, another is Jehovah's requirements for Christian living, and a third is about Jehovah's arrangement of things.

An example of the last section is: Who is primarily responsible to God for the training and disciplining of children? In many cultures it is left to the woman to raise her children spiritually and the man does little to nothing. But this question, in the comments quotes Eph 6:4, showing that it is the father's duty first.

So you are right. There are questions asked. But it is due to how far removed today's students are from the basic culture that surrounds Bible education.

 

[Kolibri]

What happens when you exceed the 144,000? Do some get downgraded?

There is no human choice here. Either you are or you are not. Jehovah knows how to count. We certainly don't need to do it for him. We recognize that sometimes people that should partake do not, and sometimes those that should not do. It usually works itself out in a couple of years as people come to terms personally about what they should do. Either way, to error on the side of an honest conscience is not unforgivable.

 

[Nada]

What I see is that no one knows what God's name is. Not even Orthodox Jews. So Jehovah means nothing as far as pronunciation and is totally incorrect. It's not God's true name. All we have is YVHV. Which has been replaced by the four letters LORD in scripture. Orthodox Jews, who should know what's up, don't call you Jehovah's Witnesses. They call you People of the Name. Maybe you should get up to speed.

Oh but God's name is Jehovah.That is the english pronunciation of it.Of course God's name is Yehowah,Yehovah or Yahweh.YHVH.This is all Hebrew,in it's original language.There was no J until about after the year 1,000, so some words that were originally spoken of with a Y or with a hard G, like gerbil for instance, were replaced with J now.So Yehowah or Yehovah became Jehovah in Latin and English.You can see a list of hundreds of different ways the name of God is used in different lands.

Another thing,Nowhere in the holy scriptures doers it ever say that God's name is to sacred to say with words.Many Jews who were supersticious and feared saying the name of God out loud made it to where God's name was made in a Tetragrammaton,YHVH.These Jewish men did this on their own without instruction from God.All based on their own reasoning and beliefs.

 

[Kolibri]

Their names are known as fact. God's is not.

And if it was important that we have the exact syllables no matter what our mother tongue is, then the exact pronunciation would still be widely known. In effect, by not insisting on the pronouncation to survive the Jewish superstition regarding the use of divine name and the 'christian' religions going along with it being hidden, Jehovah has, in effect, allowed his name to be reformed by the language it is used in. Just as I would adopt a different pronouncation of my name while living within in a community that had a common variant to it, he has done the same.

 

[Wharton]

The Jews already had the law. Their culture demanded it of them. They did not need much to adjust. Neither did the Ethiopian eunuch that Philip baptized. This man already had a culture seeped in the scriptures. We do not live in such a simple time and place where so little knowledge needed to be added. There is an open book review of some questions, under 3 broad sections. These are to make sure that the person knows what they are getting into.

One section is about elementary Bible teachings, another is Jehovah's requirements for Christian living, and a third is about Jehovah's arrangement of things.

An example of the last section is: Who is primarily responsible to God for the training and disciplining of children? In many cultures it is left to the woman to raise her children spiritually and the man does little to nothing. But this question, in the comments quotes Eph 6:4, showing that it is the father's duty first.

So you are right. There are questions asked. But it is due to how far removed today's students are from the basic culture that surrounds Bible education.

Wow. It's like pulling teeth to get you guys to come clean. So the pre-test is unscriptural and is JW tradition.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Wharton]

There is no human choice here. Either you are or you are not. Jehovah knows how to count. We certainly don't need to do it for him. We recognize that sometimes people that should partake do not, and sometimes those that should not do. It usually works itself out in a couple of years as people come to terms personally about what they should do. Either way, to error on the side of an honest conscience is not unforgivable.

Isn't it kind of elitist to make/assume yourself to be one of the anointed? They get the first class accommodations for doing the same things you do, while you go second class or steerage

 

[Nada]

Wow. It's like pulling teeth to get you guys to come clean. So the pre-test is unscriptural and is JW tradition.

Thanks for the clarification.

What you are waiting for is someone to finally agree with you but that is never going to happen because you are incorrect brother.Since you have hate in your heart you are not able to see what is true.Sometimes,actually most of the time people are wrong about things and do not want to admit that.I have been guilty of that many times in the past.I was always one sided and only saw things from my perspective.I learned that I was wrong many times until I found the truth.Once I learned and saw my mind opened up more and I began to take in real accurate knowledge.It is so amazing when it happens that you are beside yourself.It pours out on you and everything begins to make perfect sense.That is why it is good to actually read and study the holy scriptures.Yes,ask questions,read,go deeper and deeper.Keep searching until you find the truth.

 

[Wharton]

What you are waiting for is someone to finally agree with you but that is never going to happen because you are incorrect brother.Since you have hate in your heart you are not able to see what is true.Sometimes,actually most of the time people are wrong about things and do not want to admit that.I have been guilty of that many times in the past.I was always one sided and only saw things from my perspective.I learned that I was wrong many times until I found the truth.Once I learned and saw my mind opened up more and I began to take in real accurate knowledge.It is so amazing when it happens that you are beside yourself.It pours out on you and everything begins to make perfect sense.That is why it is good to actually read and study the holy scriptures.Yes,ask questions,read,go deeper and deeper.Keep searching until you find the truth.

Thanks for the advice but Kolibri already had the guts to come clean and admit that there was a pre-test with questions required for baptism.

What is so hard about admitting what is true? It makes me doubt your honesty in matters of faith.

 

[Wharton]

And if it was important that we have the exact syllables no matter what our mother tongue is, then the exact pronunciation would still be widely known. In effect, by not insisting on the pronouncation to survive the Jewish superstition regarding the use of divine name and the 'christian' religions going along with it being hidden, Jehovah has, in effect, allowed his name to be reformed by the language it is used in. Just as I would adopt a different pronouncation of my name while living within in a community that had a common variant to it, he has done the same.

The exact pronunciation is not known and you know that Jehovah has allowed his name to be reformed by the language it is used in?

Oh boy. I can happily state that I think God's name as reformed by children saying the Lord's Prayer is Howard. God's name is definitely Howard to children. Our Father who art in heaven, Howard be thy name. LOL

 

[Nada]

Thanks for the advice but Kolibri already had the guts to come clean and admit that there was a pre-test with questions required for baptism.

What is so hard about admitting what is true? It makes me doubt your honesty in matters of faith.

Ok...... Kolibri said,"So you are right.There are questions asked." Kolibri also stated, "There is an open book review of some questions, under 3 broad sections. These are to make sure that the person knows what they are getting into."

I already told you many times before that it is just to make sure you understand before you take a dip.It is not a test like you think.It is questions to make sure you fully comprehend the matter.

 

[Nada]

Thanks for the advice but Kolibri already had the guts to come clean and admit that there was a pre-test with questions required for baptism.

What is so hard about admitting what is true? It makes me doubt your honesty in matters of faith.

Another thing brother,if you are going to speak to me I would appreciate it if you spoke to me with respect as I have done to you.Please do not come at me with your loose talk.Talking about having guts.Come on now....you are 62,act like it.Your true character shines bright with every word you speak.

 

[Nada]

The exact pronunciation is not known and you know that Jehovah has allowed his name to be reformed by the language it is used in?

Oh boy. I can happily state that I think God's name as reformed by children saying the Lord's Prayer is Howard. God's name is definitely Howard to children. Our Father who art in heaven, Howard be thy name. LOL

Yes, God has allowed His name to be know as Jehovah.English is the universal language today.Just as when the holy scriptures that were written by Jesus' disciples,known to us as the NT,this was done in Koine Greek.Greek was the universal language of that time.This was 300 years after Alexander the Great concurred the known world.Everyone spoke Greek.So Jews spoke the language of God,Hebrew,when they read the holy scriptures,OT.They spoke Greek because that was the language of law.Jesus also spoke Aramaic which was spoken by the workers and tradesmen.Jesus and Joseph were carpenters and used this language

Making fun of God's name I don't think is a good idea..

 

[Sees]

Anybody still talking about the Trinity?

 

[JayJayDee]

Isn't it kind of elitist to make/assume yourself to be one of the anointed? They get the first class accommodations for doing the same things you do, while you go second class or steerage

This is typical thinking of someone trained by the church. There is no caste system in Christianity. The "holy ones" were those chosen by God for a very responsible role in heaven. They alone will be "kings and priests" (Rev 20:6) and these alone have "the heavenly calling" (Heb 3:1) They do not choose themselves, but are anointed by God for life in heaven.

Since Christ said "all you are brothers", it is no more elitist than having a priest officiating in a church. He did not just decide one day that he would jump into the role by appointing himself. He did not "become" a priest without the proper training and appointment by those who had authority to make such an appointment. What you fail to understand about Jehovah's Witnesses is that all baptized servants of Jehovah are ordained ministers, but not all are priests. Can you understand the difference?

You cannot "join" Jehovah's Witnesses.....you have to qualify to "become" one. It requires study and dedication to one's commitment. It is a serious responsibility to assume the name "Christian"....it actually implies that you vow to live your life in accord with Christ's teachings and commands.

It is clear to me that the churches pick and choose what they will obey and what they will ignore concerning the teachings of the Christ. Anything that looks like it might threaten their 'friendship with the world', (James 4:4) elicits compromise.
No compromise will be tolerated.

 

[JayJayDee]

Anybody still talking about the Trinity?

What do you want to know that hasn't been thrashed to death?

 

[Sees]

Just curious if the Trinity thread will still be used to discuss the Trinity or if it's really a done deal.

Threads almost always develop a midlife crisis...it starts to get out of hand though when we redirect it towards talking about each other.

I already know all the secret answers to the Trinity issue and shall not give them

 

[JayJayDee]

Just curious if the Trinity thread will still be used to discuss the Trinity or if it's really a done deal.

Threads almost always develop a midlife crisis...it starts to get out of hand though when we redirect it towards talking about each other.

I already know all the secret answers to the Trinity issue and shall not give them

"a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still" This holds true of any argument.