Can someone explain the Trinity please...

[Unification]

I don't have a distaste for JW's, just your inconsistency in doctrine. If you expound something as truth, it can not change. The "light shining brighter" is a man-made excuse/tradition for correcting error. If you can't see that, it's not my problem. Feel free to be led by inconsistency. It may, as you say, jump up and bite you.

That's a great point. Truth cannot change, especially with God. God doesn't change. Never has.

I have learned it's never a good thing to reason with oneself, make excuses. Everyone adores Paul, look what he did. He left his entire world behind, and religion, gave up everything he thought he knew and had ever known when the true light struck his head. Nothing wrong with erring, it's losing the pride and becoming humble to admit and repent of error and evil.

 

[Unification]

That's a great point. Truth cannot change, especially with God. God doesn't change. Never has.

I have learned it's never a good thing to reason with oneself, make excuses. Everyone adores Paul, look what he did. He left his entire world behind, and religion, gave up everything he thought he knew and had ever known when the true light struck his head. Nothing wrong with erring, it's losing the pride and becoming humble to admit and repent of error and evil.

Only, in my humblest opinion... We hide behind our reputation and ego's, and begin to justify wrong rather than admit error, because we are in fear what people will think of us. How can I possibly admit error to anyone, all of my credibility will be gone and I'll look foolish? My reputation will be severed. I can't be wrong, not possible... I'll just sugarcoat it a tad.

 

[JayJayDee]

Doesn't that sound like an internal spiritual battle one faces in the flesh, and the Lord coming to cleanse and destroy sin in the body of a man/woman?

No! it sounds very earthly to me.

Everything sounds like an internal spiritual battle to you. Why?

Messengers of light(good knowledge /will of God) vs. messengers of darkness(evil knowledge we create within our hearts and minds and own will.) The flood, washing, and pouring out of Spirit? The gospel of repentance and God saving a human?

Why wouldn't God make all that known to us? Why bother to make everything earthly and then have his word mean only something spiritual?
You go too far IMO.

What is wrong with earthly things that you have such distaste fot it?
We are God's creation...the earth is God's creation...we were meant to enjoy living on it forever....we still will because God's first purpose did not go away with man's disobedience. It got temporarily sidetracked for a time is all.

Agreed that much blood has been shed between mankind, this has actually been one of the more peaceable times in history, when it comes to war. As for sin, disobedience, immorality of most... It has soared.

And this is all the result of what happened in Eden. All this is mentioned in the scriptures and prophesy takes place right on time....(God's time, not our time) and it will all end up as God purposed in the first place.

What God put in place in Eden will yet be brought to fruition by means of the kingdom that Jesus taught us to pray for.

As Isaiah said......

“So my word that goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted. And it will have sure success in what I send it to do.” (Isaiah 55:10, 11)

Was there a flaw in God's original purpose in your estimations?

 

[Unification]

No! it sounds very earthly to me.

Everything sounds like an internal spiritual battle to you. Why?


Because without anything within/internal there is nothing external, and because I've experienced it, and continue to.. And the Lord is seeking ones to worship in Spirit and truth.

Why wouldn't God make all that known to us? Why bother to make everything earthly and then have his word mean only something spiritual?
You go too far IMO.

It has been made known. People are just too conditioned to see that, and refuse to let go of religious beliefs for that which has been proven truth, and revealed to mankind. Truth: that which is known. Knowledge has been revealed daily for thousands of years. That which is seen and known of truth and basic common sense defies many religious beliefs. Why would God have people for thousands of years praying for something they'll never see unless they looked within? It can be made well known if you search within, and meditate. . What the Lord wants people to do. This isn't easy, it would mean having to close off the mind and everything you think you know, and be patient and wait for Him. Seek properly and you shall find. And when He gives answers, it's your choice and free will to listen, forsake all, lose your life to save it... or continue to do things your way, and your beliefs because the trust and faith in God is not worth that to one. It's painful, but the experience is miraculous in itself. A beauty and peace beyond the natural.

What is wrong with earthly things that you have such distaste fot it?
We are God's creation...the earth is God's creation...we were meant to enjoy living on it forever....we still will because God's first purpose did not go away with man's disobedience. It got temporarily sidetracked for a time is all.

I have no distaste for many earthly things. Also proven our bodies are made of the earth, and we have that connection. Earthly marriage is beautiful, when two are both spiritually joined to God, nature is beautiful, etc.
The purpose is for fallen mankind's mind and hearts to be changed, transformed. True... Spiritual marriage and Union is being joined spiritually(heavenly) to earthly(bodily).

And this is all the result of what happened in Eden. All this is mentioned in the scriptures and prophesy takes place right on time....(God's time, not our time) and it will all end up as God purposed in the first place.

Of course it will, God has been just and in sovereign control of all things and individuals for eternity. It's also common sense on the question and answer: why would God place a literal serpent and literal Apple in paradise, knowing mankind would literally eat and fail, and punish everyone else because of this. What was a serpent doing in paradise? That would be unjust and not of God.
To wish God would come and destroy humans and set up shop earthly, is anti-God, and earthly in itself. Who would wish that in their heart? You truly have the heart to want God to come and destroy humans' and give you the earth. That sounds selfish. To wish God would return to us and others, and destroy our sin, evil, falsehood within, now that's a child of God.
The NOW.


What God put in place in Eden will yet be brought to fruition by means of the kingdom that Jesus taught us to pray for.

Humans' are supposed to be the salt of the earth and the light shining through in the world, God's will through us. The kingdom should come in lives NOW and also upon physical death.
The kingdom has already come upon me, and many others over the past thousands of years.


As Isaiah said......

“So my word that goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted. And it will have sure success in what I send it to do.” (Isaiah 55:10, 11)

Was there a flaw in God's original purpose in your estimations?

God is flawless, just, equal, and has never changed. God's purpose is for mankind to seek Him properly, and be transformed, evil removed, new man created. Reborn. No rebirth and kingdom now, in this life, no rebirth and kingdom following death.

Expand all, please.

 

[JM2C]

really how do you have that number

I was gonna ask the same thing

 

[JM2C]

If you will just open your eyes and your ears, you will see what the scriptures are trying to teach you.

Actually God opened my heart first so that my eyes can see and my ears can hear on what the Scriptures are saying and one them is this,
DT 18:21 “ You may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’

DT 18:22 “ When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Now, do you still expect me to believe all your prophecies?

 

[JM2C]

This just proves that you have not listened to a word we have said.

The 144,000 began to be gathered when Jesus chose the twelve. Fleshly Israel could have filled the full number of those with "the heavenly calling" (Heb 3:1) but they rejected their Messiah. After Jesus' death, the apostle Peter was guided to Cornelius, the first gentile convert to Christianity. Jesus had already stated that the kingdom would be taken away from literal Israel and given to a "nation producing its fruits". (Matt 21:42, 43) That new nation, were the disciples of Jesus Christ, made up of both fleshly Jews and Gentiles who accepted him as their savior.

1. The soul ceases to exist after death (Let God be True, pp. 59, 60, 67);

2. There is no hell of fire where the wicked are punished (Let God be True, pp. 79, 80); Only 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses go to heaven (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 166-167, 361; Let God be True, p. 121).

3. Only the 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses are born again (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, p. 76.; The Watchtower Nov. 15, 1954, p. 681).

Jesus mediates only for the 144,000,

1. 1. "Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members" (The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide, 1986, p. 10).
      1. Link:http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/jesus-mediates-only-144-000-jehovahs-witnesses
      2. Does Jesus mediate for the average JW? Nope. " . . . Jesus Christ is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members" (The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide, 1986, p. 10).
      3. If Jesus is the mediator only for the 144,000, then the average JW has no mediator before God. Without a mediator, they are damned.

C&P from CARM
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Are you one of the 144,000? NO? then you don't have a mediator.

 

[melk]

Why not we just go back to the thread subject, instead of remaining throwing stones on JW?

 

[Wharton]

Why not we just go back to the thread subject, instead of remaining throwing stones on JW?

Cause when JW'S post derogatory stuff like this, they can expect reciprocity.

"The foretold apostasy (the weeds of Jesus' parable) put the brakes on the selection of the anointed as Christendom and her disgusting corruption of Christ's teachings took over the religious environment throughout Europe from the 4th century onward."

BTW, Christendom refers to the worldwide community of Christians so I guess by disliking Christendom, JW's don't consider themselves Christian?

 

[Nada]

Cause when JW'S post derogatory stuff like this, they can expect reciprocity.

"The foretold apostasy (the weeds of Jesus' parable) put the brakes on the selection of the anointed as Christendom and her disgusting corruption of Christ's teachings took over the religious environment throughout Europe from the 4th century onward."

BTW, Christendom refers to the worldwide community of Christians so I guess by disliking Christendom, JW's don't consider themselves Christian?

According to God's word, Christendom is counterfeit Christianity.Who is making derogatory remarks? You seem to be the only one going on about things, and in a not so nice manner too.

Ps.The trinity does not exist according to the holy scriptures.It is a man made belief.A tradition based on mens interpretations,not God's.

 

[melk]

Cause when JW'S post derogatory stuff like this, they can expect reciprocity.

"The foretold apostasy (the weeds of Jesus' parable) put the brakes on the selection of the anointed as Christendom and her disgusting corruption of Christ's teachings took over the religious environment throughout Europe from the 4th century onward."

BTW, Christendom refers to the worldwide community of Christians so I guess by disliking Christendom, JW's don't consider themselves Christian?

It may be part of the answer. More important seems to be their defense of theological issues in a way that contradicts the mainstream of christianity, always appealing faithfully to scriptures and reason.

 

[Unification]

According to God's word, Christendom is counterfeit Christianity.Who is making derogatory remarks? You seem to be the only one going on about things, and in a not so nice manner too.

Ps.The trinity does not exist according to the holy scriptures.It is a man made belief.A tradition based on mens interpretations,not God's.

When you hear the inward thoughts of God spoken to you, within you... Please let me know. I'd truly love for you to hear them and actually listen one day. According to the Gods thoughts spoken to me, you're not in a very good place with God by obsessiveness of a book as opposed to seeking Him in spirit and truth. Such a bright guy too, make your paths straight to the Lord.

 

[JayJayDee]

Actually God opened my heart first so that my eyes can see and my ears can hear on what the Scriptures are saying and one them is this,
DT 18:21 “ You may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’

If you really believe that scripture then you would not accept that which Christ never taught.

1. Jesus never said he was God. The Catholic Church did that and then made Mary into God's mother. Blasphemy!

2. His Father never said his son was in any way equal to himself. No one could be. To place any "god" (mighty one) in the same position as the Father is to break the first Commandment. (Ex 20:3)

3. He told us to "love" our enemies, not fight with them in worldly conflicts.
He actually instructed us to be "NO part of this world" in the ways that would make us break God's laws.

4. He told us to go out to the people with his message of salvation, (Matt 10:11-15) not sit cozied up in a building waiting for the lost sheep to wander in.....if they can figure out which building to wander into.

5. The scriptures tell us not to mix true worship with false worship, but Christendom has mixed them for centuries, failing to separate themselves from pagan festivals and doctrines introduced centuries after Jesus died, and thus eliminating themselves from being seen as God's "sons and daughters". (2 Cor 6:14-18; Matt 7:21-23)

So can you see that Christendom is breaking all these laws whilst you ignore them to concentrate on the supposed faults of JW's? Whatever failure you see on our part....we are NO part of Christendom for very good reasons. They are the "weeds" of Jesus parable, sown so long ago that no one questions the validity or origins of their beliefs and practices.

DT 18:22 “ When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Now, do you still expect me to believe all your prophecies?

In the early days we did not have a full grasp of the truth. The "cleansing and refining" that God foretold for his people was to take place "in the time of the end". (Dan 12:4, 9, 10) An abundance of knowledge was to be revealed at this time but not all at once. Cleansing and refining are processes that take time. We have moved on in our understanding as these processes kept clarifying things for us. Some misunderstandings were dropped as we delved further into God's word. More and more detail was revealed and we separated from Christendom's doctrines one by one, as they were examined in the increasing light of scripture, as it was foretold. (Prov 4:18) We have separated completely, obeying God's command to "get out" of "Babylon the great". (Rev 18:4, 5)

We do not have "prophesies". We have one multi-faceted prophesy that Jesus gave in Matt 24:3-14 by way of a "sign" that would indicate that he was ruling as king in his kingdom. These events indicate that the "last days" of this present system are numbered and that there is an urgency about the preaching work, which Jesus said would be carried out until "the end" comes. (Matt 24:14)

We have kept "on the watch" as Jesus told us to do, so that when the "bridegroom" came, we were not caught "out of oil" and those who were members of his bride (pictured by the wise virgins in his parable) began to be raised to take their place in the heavenly kingdom, ready for the "marriage feast" to begin. Those who are raised "first", are those who will be "kings and priests" in that heavenly arrangement. (Rev 20:6)

The marriage of the Lamb will not be complete until the last of his bride are with him in heaven. These will then extend their rulership to the earth, now cleansed of all wickedness, because this is where man was designed to live forever. (Rev 21-1-5) We will return to the conditions originally enjoyed by humans in the garden of Eden.

We are not just in "the last days" now, but virtually in the last "moments" before the door of opportunity will be closed. Jesus likened these days to the days of Noah for a good reason. (Matt 24:36-39) How many listened to Noah? Now ask why they failed to listen...it is happening all over again. History repeats because man has a short memory.

What the devil managed to do to the fleshly Jews, he has done in like manner to Christendom. "The church" has been corrupted from within, by men placing human tradition before the word of God......but so long ago that the truth seems like lies and lies seem like the truth.

If people could only see that those who cry "heresy" are themselves guilty of it just as the Pharisees were in Jesus' day.

Those Jews who cried out for Jesus' blood placed their faith in the wrong leaders and cursed themselves with the blood of Christ...the very blood that was meant to save them. (Matt 27:25)

History repeats because people don't listen.

Please consider......

 

[cataway]

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[cataway]

When you hear the inward thoughts of God spoken to you, within you... Please let me know. I'd truly love for you to hear them and actually listen one day. According to the Gods thoughts spoken to me, you're not in a very good place with God by obsessiveness of a book as opposed to seeking Him in spirit and truth. Such a bright guy too, make your paths straight to the Lord.

next time you hear that voice, ask the voice, if is Jehovah God that sent it to speak to you.

 

[Unification]

If you really believe that scripture then you would not accept that which Christ never taught.

1. Jesus never said he was God. The Catholic Church did that and then made Mary into God's mother. Blasphemy!

2. His Father never said his son was in any way equal to himself. No one could be. To place any "god" (mighty one) in the same position as the Father is to break the first Commandment. (Ex 20:3)

3. He told us to "love" our enemies, not fight with them in worldly conflicts.
He actually instructed us to be "NO part of this world" in the ways that would make us break God's laws.

4. He told us to go out to the people with his message of salvation, (Matt 10:11-15) not sit cozied up in a building waiting for the lost sheep to wander in.....if they can figure out which building to wander into.

5. The scriptures tell us not to mix true worship with false worship, but Christendom has mixed them for centuries, failing to separate themselves from pagan festivals and doctrines introduced centuries after Jesus died, and thus eliminating themselves from being seen as God's "sons and daughters". (2 Cor 6:14-18; Matt 7:21-23)

So can you see that Christendom is breaking all these laws whilst you ignore them to concentrate on the supposed faults of JW's? Whatever failure you see on our part....we are NO part of Christendom for very good reasons. They are the "weeds" of Jesus parable, sown so long ago that no one questions the validity or origins of their beliefs and practices.



In the early days we did not have a full grasp of the truth. The "cleansing and refining" that God foretold for his people was to take place "in the time of the end". (Dan 12:4, 9, 10) An abundance of knowledge was to be revealed at this time but not all at once. Cleansing and refining are processes that take time. We have moved on in our understanding as these processes kept clarifying things for us. Some misunderstandings were dropped as we delved further into Gd's word. More and more detail was revealed and we separated from Christendom's doctrines one by one, as they were examined in the increasing light of scripture, as it was foretold. (Prov 4:18) We have separated completely, obeying God's command to "get out" of "Babylon the great". (Rev 18:4, 5)

We do not have "prophesies". We have one multi-faceted prophesy that Jesus gave in Matt 24:3-14 by way of a "sign" that would indicate that he was ruling as king in his kingdom. These events indicate that the "last days" of this present system are numbered and that there is an urgency about the preaching work, which Jesus said would be carried out until "the end" comes. (Matt 24:14)

We have kept "on the watch" as Jesus told us to do, so that when the "bridegroom" came, we were not caught "out of oil" and those who were members of his bride (pictured by the wise virgins in his parable) began to be raised to take their place in the heavenly kingdom, ready for the "marriage feast" to begin. Those who are raised "first", are those who will be "kings and priests" in that heavenly arrangement. (Rev 20:6)

The marriage of the Lamb will not be complete until the last of his bride are with him in heaven. These will then extend their rulership to the earth, now cleansed of all wickedness, because this is where man was designed to live forever. (Rev 21-1-5) We will return to the conditions originally enjoyed by humans in the garden of Eden.

We are not just in "the last days" now, but virtually in the last "moments" before the door of opportunity will be closed. Jesus likened these days to the days of Noah for a good reason. (Matt 24:36-39) How many listened to Noah? Now ask why they failed to listen...it is happening all over again. History repeats because man has a short memory.

What the devil managed to do to the fleshly Jews, he has done in like manner to Christendom. "The church" has been corrupted from within, by men placing human tradition before the word of God......but so long ago that the truth seems like lies and lies seem like the truth.

If people could only see that those who cry "heresy" are themselves guilty of it just as the Pharisees were in Jesus' day.

Those Jews who cried out for Jesus' blood placed their faith in the wrong leaders and cursed themselves with the blood of Christ...the very blood that was meant to save them. (Matt 27:25)

History repeats because people don't listen.

Please consider......

Your sect has eliminated a lot of Christiandom, and are closer than most but still hold some of your own.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Your watching is physical and won't come.

You don't understand the days of Noah, nor was the world ever destroyed by flood. Your world within needs destroyed by the washing of the flood.

If Christ hasn't come into your flesh, you are anti-Christ. This is clear by the desire in your heart for the Lord to come and physically conquer as opposed to spiritually conquering in your life... And teaching others the same. He's obviously not in your life now if you are waiting still for signs and observations which are never coming.

Leading people into a ditch for thousands of years is teaching to keep on looking externally, keep on watching..... When it's all spirit and within.

 

[JayJayDee]

1. The soul ceases to exist after death (Let God be True, pp. 59, 60, 67);

Eccl 9:5, 6, 10, Psalm 146:4

2. There is no hell of fire where the wicked are punished (Let God be True, pp. 79, 80); Only 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses go to heaven (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 166-167, 361; Let God be True, p. 121).

Jehovah has had his Witnesses long before his modern day people were raised up. Men and women of faith in ancient times were called a great "cloud of witnesses". (Heb 12:1) Israel was also called Jehovah's Witness. (Isa 43:10) Jesus is called "the faithful and true witness" (Rev 3:14)
All who serve God faithfully are his witnesses. We are involved in a Supreme Court case with the devil as the prosecutor and us as witnesses for the defence. So rightly, only Jehovah's faithful ones can be his true witnesses. It has nothing to do with a label.

3. Only the 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses are born again (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, p. 76.; The Watchtower Nov. 15, 1954, p. 681).

Yes, because only those "born again" to become spirit beings in heaven can rule with Christ in his kingdom. Revelation numbers them, not us. (Rev 14:1, 3, 4)

Jesus mediates only for the 144,000

,

"Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members" (The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide, 1986, p. 10)

The covenant that Jesus mediated was made with those who will rule with him in his kingdom. These are not all mankind, but only those who will go to heaven. They are a finite number. They will be "kings and priests" (Rev 20:6) so over who do these rule and for whom do they act as priests if everyone goes to heaven?

Does Jesus mediate for the average JW? Nope

. " . . . Jesus Christ is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members" (The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide, 1986, p. 10).

Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant. But that in no way eliminates his role as the one through whom we can approach the Father. No one can come to the Father except through Christ....and no one comes to the son without an invitation from the Father. (John 6:44)

You have a very limited understanding of what this all means because you have never considered the Bible's view....only Christendom's.

If Jesus is the mediator only for the 144,000, then the average JW has no mediator before God. Without a mediator, they are damned.

That is just plain nonsense. Propaganda of the most common and vile variety.

Are you one of the 144,000? NO? then you don't have a mediator.

Sorry, but you have been listening to the wrong source of information. I am not one of the anointed and my hope is to live on earth forever with other worshippers of Jehovah, both past and present.

We do all things through the one appointed as the only mediator between God and men....Jesus Christ. Jesus was the mediator of the new covenant and I am a beneficiary of that covenant whilst not being a party to it.
Like an inheritance that my parents may get and they share that inheritance with their children. I am a sharer through the generosity of my Father.

Most of JW's alive today are not of the anointed, for the simple reason that the ranks of that finite group were filled some time ago. Those remaining are dotted here and there throughout the earth and they are just members of the congregation with no special status demanded or sought. They are mostly elderly ones who serve along with their brothers as best they can as their age and health permit. The "presence" of the Lord means that they do not sleep in death as their predecessors had to, but are "changed in the twinkling of an eye" to take up their heavenly position right away. Until the last of them are taken to heaven, the marriage of the Lamb will not take place.

When it does, the end of all things in this world will be upon us.

 

[Unification]

next time you hear that voice, ask the voice, if is Jehovah God that sent it to speak to you.

You're without excuse, son.

 

[JayJayDee]

Your watching is physical and won't come.

We are living it right now......open your eyes. Everything Jesus said would happen has, or is in the process of happening as we speak. Are you blind?

You don't understand the days of Noah, nor was the world ever destroyed by flood. Your world within needs destroyed by the washing of the flood.

You have to deny scripture to promote your views.....sorry Jesus never did that. Your denial of the word of God makes people wary of your true spiritual condition. Delusion is not obvious to the deluded.

If Christ hasn't come into your flesh, you are anti-Christ.

And if you claim to speak for God then you have to have some tangible proof of that....I cannot see anything in your writings that makes me believe that you are anything but another deluded soul hoodwinked by the devil...."the angel of light" is pretty convincing to those who are somewhat gullible. All this internal stuff is not reality...it is fantasy.
Jesus was real and his teachings were real. We live in a real world with real problems that demand a real solution....this is what Jesus came to offer us. Not pie in the sky.

He's obviously not in your life now if you are waiting still for signs and observations which are never coming.

How on earth can you say things like that? My God has guided my life form the time I was a child. I have tangible proof that God is with me. My understanding of his word is not something I made up by myself and have no spiritual brotherhood that shares it. I am not a lone voice.

The signs that Jesus gave as evidence of his "presence" have come and are in the throes of taking place right now.
How can you miss them?....unless you are guided or blinded by the wrong spirit. (2 Cor 4:3, 4)

Leading people into a ditch for thousands of years is teaching to keep on looking externally, keep on watching..... When it's all spirit and within.

I am sad for you. Your "blindness" is indicated in every post.

 

[Unification]

We are living it right now......open your eyes. Everything Jesus said would happen has, or is in the process of happening as we speak. Are you blind?



You have to deny scripture to promote your views.....sorry Jesus never did that. Your denial of the word of God makes people wary of your true spiritual condition. Delusion is not obvious to the deluded.



And if you claim to speak for God then you have to have some tangible proof of that....I cannot see anything in your writings that makes me believe that you are anything but another deluded soul hoodwinked by the devil...."the angel of light" is pretty convincing to those who are somewhat gullible. All this internal stuff is not reality...it is fantasy.
Jesus was real and his teachings were real. We live in a real world with real problems that demand a real solution....this is what Jesus came to offer us. Not pie in the sky.



How on earth can you say things like that? My God has guided my life form the time I was a child. I have tangible proof that God is with me. My understanding of his word is not something I made up by myself and have no spiritual brotherhood that shares it. I am not a lone voice.

The signs that Jesus gave as evidence of his "presence" have come and are in the throes of taking place right now.
How can you miss them?....unless you are guided or blinded by the wrong spirit. (2 Cor 4:3, 4)



I am sad for you. Your "blindness" is indicated in every post.

Scripture is not meant to be taken literally. You have vain, outward eyes and live a lie. It's not too late to seek properly.