Can someone explain the Trinity please...

[cataway]

If the ENTIRE fullness of God's nature dwells in Christ, how can Jesus not be equal?

Philippians 2:5-6
Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men.



Psalm 83:18 That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,


You alone are the Most High over all the earth


(Isaiah 42:8) “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.

 

[Nada]

Still can't balance an equation?
Good=Good
Good teacher=Good Shepherd.
"Only God is good"

The HS are very clear but many do not understand because of false doctrines that have been spread and have no biblical backing.Luke 18:19 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

So you believe Jesus is God and saying he is not good too?

 

[katiemygirl]

Just goes to show you on how many people believed in false doctrine....
What about Moses, or David or the prophets? Did they believe in a trinity? Of course not.

I doubt they ever heard the word trinity, but they understood that there is a plurality in the Godhead, and you can read about that plurality throughout the OT Scriptures.

Daniel 7:13, 14
"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kinvdom is one that will never pass away.

Did you catch that? They worshiped the one that's called Son of Man. And this is Jesus. So not only is the Ancient of Days worshiped, we see that there is someone else that's separate and distinct from the Ancient of Days, according to these two verses that is likewise worshiped. Therefore, there must be plurality in the Godhead. There has to be, because only the True and the Living God of the Bible can be worshiped. To worship anything or anyone else would be idolatry.

 

[Unification]

Philippians 2:5-6
Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men.



Psalm 83:18 That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,


You alone are the Most High over all the earth


(Isaiah 42:8) “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.

 

[Wharton]

An Almighty God does not serve another God.
John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

Jesus is not the Almighty God.He is the Son of God and His first creation.

Didn't you ever wonder why he makes the distinction, my God and your God? Why not to our God?

What Jesus has by NATURE, we get by adoption. That's the difference. Being begotten by the Father in the eternal now, Jesus has, in a sense, a God, a father. Being begotten by THAT Father/God, he is of the same ESSENCE. God doesn't BEGET humans. The DNA/ESSENCE doesn't match. The essence of Jesus matches his father's.

 

[Unification]

Jesus Christ is mistaken for a fleshly physical individual figure. He is Spirit, the spirit in all individuals. The "spokesman" for God inside all of mankind. God dwells inside of all humans. He speaks for God. Not himself. Nobody can know God until they look within themselves. Those Hebrew Scriptures we all read.... They are the Lord's spirit inside of man speaking on behalf of the Father. A good example for the ethnic Jew would be Moses and Aaron. Moses being a typified father and Aaron being the high priest and spokesman for the father inside of a human.

 

[Wharton]

Peter was never a bishop or Pope.

And that's your unsupported opinion. In any event, Peter did appoint those men to head the church in Antioch and I doubt that he would appoint some one that did not hold the correct theology. Just like you wouldn't appoint a non-JW to head your assembly as an elder or to your governing body.

 

[Wharton]

Philippians 2:5-6
Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men.



Psalm 83:18 That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,


You alone are the Most High over all the earth


(Isaiah 42:8) “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.

Let's use the bible that you used prior to having to write the NWT to match your doctrine.

Jesus doesn't have to seize, grasp, or steal what he already has.

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

 

[Wharton]

The HS are very clear but many do not understand because of false doctrines that have been spread and have no biblical backing.Luke 18:19 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

So you believe Jesus is God and saying he is not good too?

The scriptures are clear, unless you use your own biased one.

What I'm saying is: the man called Jesus good teacher. Jesus replies no one is good except God. Good=God in that scenario.

Oh boy, another math word problem for you to solve.

Good plus Teacher=God Teacher.

Jesus is the God Teacher AKA the Word of God.

 

[Wharton]

(Isaiah 42:8) “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Another math equation.

Glory=Glory

If Jesus was just human, he would be a graven image in asking for glory.

 

[Nada]

Didn't you ever wonder why he makes the distinction, my God and your God? Why not to our God?

What Jesus has by NATURE, we get by adoption. That's the difference. Being begotten by the Father in the eternal now, Jesus has, in a sense, a God, a father. Being begotten by THAT Father/God, he is of the same ESSENCE. God doesn't BEGET humans. The DNA/ESSENCE doesn't match. The essence of Jesus matches his father's.

Jesus is not the Almighty.

 

[Nada]

And that's your unsupported opinion. In any event, Peter did appoint those men to head the church in Antioch and I doubt that he would appoint some one that did not hold the correct theology. Just like you wouldn't appoint a non-JW to head your assembly as an elder or to your governing body.

Oh,it's not an opinion or unsupported.It is fact.Peter was an apostle and nothing more.There were no popes appointed by Jesus,just followers of Jesus.There is no authority but God.The word pope never even appears in the holy scriptures.

 

[Nada]

The scriptures are clear, unless you use your own biased one.

What I'm saying is: the man called Jesus good teacher. Jesus replies no one is good except God. Good=God in that scenario.

Oh boy, another math word problem for you to solve.

Good plus Teacher=God Teacher.

Jesus is the God Teacher AKA the Word of God.

The way you speak shows your true character.You are being sarcastic and not very nice.That is not very christian like.If you are going to speak about the word of God with others,it might be best to stay positive and explain, without coming of smug.Do not get caught up in the hype and the moment.Remember how Jesus spoke to others.

 

[moorea944]

I doubt they ever heard the word trinity, but they understood that there is a plurality in the Godhead, and you can read about that plurality throughout the OT Scriptures.

Daniel 7:13, 14
"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kinvdom is one that will never pass away.

Did you catch that? They worshiped the one that's called Son of Man. And this is Jesus. So not only is the Ancient of Days worshiped, we see that there is someone else that's separate and distinct from the Ancient of Days, according to these two verses that is likewise worshiped. Therefore, there must be plurality in the Godhead. There has to be, because only the True and the Living God of the Bible can be worshiped. To worship anything or anyone else would be idolatry.

Actually, I was wondering it YOU got that. Look at what it says... "He was given..... " God gave Jesus everything. Plus, that that trinitarians dont understand is, God manifestation. People did not worship him "as" God. If you worship someone, it doesnt make them God. People worship singers, actors, Presidents, etc, etc. Does that make them God? No of course not. But that fits into your beliefs. And his kingdom will never pass away. Absolutely! When Jesus comes back to earth and sets up the Kingdom, his Kingdom WILL last forever. No one, worshipped Jesus as God. No one.

 

[Kolibri]

Let's use the bible that you used prior to having to write the NWT to match your doctrine.

Jesus doesn't have to seize, grasp, or steal what he already has.

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Always fun reading a Bible with the brakes on, trying to remember what part is a bad translation and what part matches the original thought. Let look a few few other translations.

6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, - American Standard Version
6 Though he was in the form of God, he did not regard equality with God something to be possessed by force. - Complete Jewish Bible
6 Who, while being in the form of God, did not regard the being equal with God a thing-to-be-grasped, - Disciples' Literal New Testament
6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, - English Standard Version
6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, - English Standard Version Anglicized
6 who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God something to be grasped, - Lexham English Bible
6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped. - Modern English Version

Need I go on?

 

[Wharton]

Always fun reading a Bible with the brakes on, trying to remember what part is a bad translation and what part matches the original thought. Let look a few few other translations.

6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, - American Standard Version
6 Though he was in the form of God, he did not regard equality with God something to be possessed by force. - Complete Jewish Bible
6 Who, while being in the form of God, did not regard the being equal with God a thing-to-be-grasped, - Disciples' Literal New Testament
6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, - English Standard Version
6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, - English Standard Version Anglicized
6 who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God something to be grasped, - Lexham English Bible
6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped. - Modern English Version

Need I go on?

No. You just proved my point.

Jesus doesn't have to grasp or possess what he already has.

Thanks.

 

[Wharton]

The way you speak shows your true character.You are being sarcastic and not very nice.That is not very christian like.If you are going to speak about the word of God with others,it might be best to stay positive and explain, without coming of smug.Do not get caught up in the hype and the moment.Remember how Jesus spoke to others.

Still can't grasp the solution to the word problem so you deflect and deride. Typical.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Actually, I was wondering it YOU got that. Look at what it says... "He was given..... " God gave Jesus everything. Plus, that that trinitarians dont understand is, God manifestation. People did not worship him "as" God. If you worship someone, it doesnt make them God. People worship singers, actors, Presidents, etc, etc. Does that make them God? No of course not. But that fits into your beliefs. And his kingdom will never pass away. Absolutely! When Jesus comes back to earth and sets up the Kingdom, his Kingdom WILL last forever. No one, worshipped Jesus as God. No one.

We know spirit persons inhabit the invisible spirit realm.
Jesus was resurrected by God back in his pre-human heavenly spirit body.
That is why Jesus needed to use different materialized bodies before the resurrected Jesus ascended to heaven - Acts 1:9
Gospel writer John was clear at John 14:19 that the time was coming when ' the world would see Jesus No more ' . So, the coming again and kingdom come would be invisible from heaven. That is why it is the words from Jesus' mouth which will remove the wicked from earth.
- Rev. 19:11,14,15; Isaiah11: 3,4
Earthly Jerusalem was the seat of government, but now as Galatians 4 v 26 mentions it is now ' Jerusalem above ' or heavenly Jerusalem which will shower down blessings from heaven to earth. At the end of Jesus 1000-year kingdom reign over earth, then Jesus hands back God's kingdom to God according to 1st Corinthians 15:24.

 

[Wharton]

Oh,it's not an opinion or unsupported.It is fact.Peter was an apostle and nothing more.There were no popes appointed by Jesus,just followers of Jesus.There is no authority but God.The word pope never even appears in the holy scriptures.

Deflecting as usual. I stated it didn't matter whether Peter was a pope or a bishop when he appointed his successor to head the church in Antioch. He would appoint a person who would be appropriately trained and who would hold the correct beliefs. And the belief was Jesus was God. You do no different when you appoint your leaders. Would you appoint a Trinitarian to the governing body. Of course not.

BTW, if we reason from the scriptures, and translate Greek and Latin, we can see that father appears many times in the scriptures.

The Pope (Latin: papa; from Greek: πάππας pappas,[1] a child's word for father)[2

 

[Nada]

Still can't grasp the solution to the word problem so you deflect and deride. Typical.

Not at all brother.Although we have differences in opinion ,that does not mean we can not have a civil discussion.