Can someone explain the Trinity please...

[katiemygirl]

If you think this and want to convince me of this, you should give counterarguments on the arguments I wrote in the text. If not, fine no problem that is your opinion.

If you look back in our posts, you will see that I posted Col. 2:9. You did not address this verse. Instead, you posted other verses. I would be happy to comment on the verses you posted, but I would appreciate you taking the time to comment on Col. 2:9 first, considering I did post it before you put your verses up.

 

[katiemygirl]

What is the Godhead? And my point is that people believe in what the bible "does not" say. God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit, is the Godhead of alot of people believing in the trinity. That is not in the bible at all, yet, it is staple in their faith. Why? Why would you want to "make up" something when the bible actually says something else...

1 Cor 11 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." There is your Godhead right there!

But that is wrong to most religions, because it goes against their believes. Shameful, it really is....

The term "Godhead" is used in some translations. Others use "deity."

KJV
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead (Col 2:9)

 

[katiemygirl]

What is the Godhead? And my point is that people believe in what the bible "does not" say. God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit, is the Godhead of alot of people believing in the trinity. That is not in the bible at all, yet, it is staple in their faith. Why? Why would you want to "make up" something when the bible actually says something else...

1 Cor 11 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." There is your Godhead right there!

But that is wrong to most religions, because it goes against their believes. Shameful, it really is....

Can you explain Col. 2:9?

 

[katiemygirl]

God is giving His son a Kingdom. It hasnt come yet, but he will set it up at his return. But it appears that your using "worship" differently than other people. My point is that no one worshipped Jesus as Yahweh.

Verse 13&14 is a future prophecy when he returns. It also goes with Dan 2. The bible says Jesus is the Son of God, you say he's God, hmmm, interesting.....

Wrong! The kingdom is here now. Jesus said it was near. It was at hand. And He said, "There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom come with power. Mark 9:1. It came on Pentecost.

Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom two thousand years ago..

The kingdom is here on earth now. It is spiritual. It is the church.

A kingdom has four aspects: a King, subjects, territory, and laws. Jesus is King. Christians are His subjects. Earth is the territory, and the NT is its law, the law of Christ.

 

[cataway]

Wrong! The kingdom is here now. Jesus said it was near. It was at hand. And He said, "There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom come with power. Mark 9:1. It came on Pentecost.

Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom two thousand years ago..

The kingdom is here on earth now. It is spiritual. It is the church.

A kingdom has four aspects: a King, subjects, territory, and laws. Jesus is King. Christians are His subjects. Earth is the territory, and the NT is its law, the law of Christ.

there a few things missing , do you know what they are ?

 

[katiemygirl]

there a few things missing , do you know what they are ?

How about addressing my last post to you? You keep skipping around. It's hard to keep up with you. The post I wrote was in response to moorea. Can we get back to our discussion rather than going down a variety of paths. You never get anywhere when you do that.

 

[cataway]

How about addressing my last post to you? You keep skipping around. It's hard to keep up with you. The post I wrote was in response to moorea. Can we get back to our discussion rather than going down a variety of paths. You never get anywhere when you do that.

i am addressing your last post

 

[katiemygirl]

i am addressing your last post

Can you quote the part of my post to you, which you say you are addressing? I have pasted it below for your convenience.

You did not comment on my post. All you did was ask a question about it. You asked: "There are a few things missing. Do you know what they are?"

Here is my post, and here is the question I asked you about Col. 2:9. I would like an answer.

If the ENTIRE fullness of God's nature dwells in Christ, how can Jesus not be equal?

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Yes, of course Jesus is a servant, and He was always subservientto His Father.

And like it or not YOU are a servant of Christ's. 1 Cor. 4:1. And if you do a word study on the Greek word latreuo, you will learn that it means sacred service, which is a form of worship. So when you serve Jesus, you are essentially worshiping Him. Like it or not!

Of course Jesus is the Son of God. I never said. He wasn't.

I do not believe Jesus is the Father. You are confusing me with the poster, YES. I disagree with his belief. I believe they, along with the Holy Spirit are ONE, yet each has a distinct role and personality.

I believe Jesus when He says anyone who sees me sees My Father, and anyone who sees Him has seen the One who sent Him.

Why do you doubt His words?

9 Jesus replied, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don’t know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?

"He who sees Me sees the ONE who sent Me."

GOD is not a name. It is a title, and it consists of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Each of them has their own roles, but all are the one true GOD. All are equal.

Col. 2:9 For the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily in Christ.

If the ENTIRE fullness of God's nature dwells in Christ, how can Jesus not be equal?

 

[Kolibri]

Re: Phil 2:6

God's form is spirit. God is Spirit. (John 4:24a)

While Jesus was still in a spirit form, he gave not consideration that he should attempt what Satan attempted - to usurp the worship due to Jehovah. The surrounding text is how we are supposed to keep the same mental attitude of humility. While both your 2 faces and my vase both show humility, one is much easier to reconcile with the rest of the Bible.

 

[Kolibri]

Can you explain Col. 2:9?

Godhead [Greek, the·o′te·tos]

According to Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, the·o′tes (the nominative form, from which the·o′te·tos is derived) means “divinity, divine nature.” (Oxford, 1968, p. 792)

Thus you will see other translations to express the·o′te·tos differently than you are used to in the NKJV.

9 For it is in him that all the fulness of God's nature lives embodied, - The Bible—An American Translation (1935), J. M. Powis Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed.
9 For it is in Christ that the fulness of God's nature dwells embodied, and in Him you are made complete, - The New Testament in Modern Speech (1929; as printed in 1944), Richard F. Weymouth.

Did Christ have in himself something that is his because he is God, part of a Trinity? Or is “the fullness” that dwells in him something that became his because of the decision of someone else? (Col 1:19)

Consider the immediate context of Colossians 2:9: In verse 8, readers are warned against being misled by those who advocate philosophy and human traditions. They are also told that in Christ “are concealed all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge” and are urged to “go on walking in union with him” and to be “rooted and built up in him and being stabilized in the faith.” (Verses 3, 6, 7) It is in him, that a certain precious “fullness” dwells - again at God's good pleasure. (Col 1:19) Was the apostle Paul there saying that the “fullness” that was in Christ made Christ God himself? Not according to Colossians 3:1. There we are told "the Christ is seated at the right hand of God."

“It is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.” (Col. 2:9) Having been with his heavenly Father for aeons of time, Jesus knows better than anyone else the personality and will of God. Throughout his earthly ministry, Jesus taught others what his Father had taught him and reflected in his actions the qualities that his Father had nurtured in him. That is why Jesus could say: “He that has seen me has seen the Father also.” (John 14:9) All the wisdom and knowledge of God are hidden, or are dwelling, in Christ, and there is no better way for us to learn about Jehovah than by carefully learning all that we can about Jesus.

 

[Wharton]

“It is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.” (Col. 2:9) Having been with his heavenly Father for aeons of time, Jesus knows better than anyone else the personality and will of God. Throughout his earthly ministry, Jesus taught others what his Father had taught him and reflected in his actions the qualities that his Father had nurtured in him. That is why Jesus could say: “He that has seen me has seen the Father also.” (John 14:9) All the wisdom and knowledge of God are hidden, or are dwelling, in Christ, and there is no better way for us to learn about Jehovah than by carefully learning all that we can about Jesus.

No one knows the mind of God, except God. Even, if you make it as one of the 144,000, you will never know the mind of God

 

[Kolibri]

No one knows the mind of God, except God. Even, if you make it as one of the 144,000, you will never know the mind of God

you and I are in agreement here, though that should not discourage us from learning more about him.

Look! These are just the fringes of his way;
Only a faint whisper has been heard of him!
So who can understand his mighty thunder?
- Job 26:14

"This means everlasting life, there coming to know you, (or "their taking in knowledge of you.") the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." - John 17:3

 

[moorea944]

Wrong! The kingdom is here now. Jesus said it was near. It was at hand. And He said, "There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom come with power. Mark 9:1. It came on Pentecost.

Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom two thousand years ago..

The kingdom is here on earth now. It is spiritual. It is the church.

A kingdom has four aspects: a King, subjects, territory, and laws. Jesus is King. Christians are His subjects. Earth is the territory, and the NT is its law, the law of Christ.

No, not at all. Kingdom is not here yet. It is not spiriitual as in you can see it. It is spiritual as in it will be a Kingdom from God on earth. Look at Dan 2. So many OT books tell us that it will be set up and it will be a real kingdom at Christ's coming.

 

[moorea944]

Wrong! The kingdom is here now. Jesus said it was near. It was at hand. And He said, "There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom come with power. Mark 9:1. It came on Pentecost.

Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom two thousand years ago..

The kingdom is here on earth now. It is spiritual. It is the church.

A kingdom has four aspects: a King, subjects, territory, and laws. Jesus is King. Christians are His subjects. Earth is the territory, and the NT is its law, the law of Christ.

[Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom two thousand years ago..]
Re-read it. Those are literal keys.

 

[Nada]

Do you read what you post? Peter was nobody to have a successor? So how did we get from the apostles to the JW's if there were no successors? No successors, no bible, no Christianity.

And Jesus didn't dress like a JW either so where are you going with that line?

And you personally know that these men are not humble? Does the faithful and discreet slave feed you this misinformation?

BTW, your new headquarters are bigger than Vatican City.

1.Yes I read my post.Proof read it.

2.Peter was no successor of any sort.There are no successors in Christianity.Just followers.This is not a royal position being passed down.Peter and the rest of the other disciples had a mission to spread the Word concerning the Kingdom of God.God is our creator and Jesus is our Shepherd.Jesus came to teach and pass on the Word.He died as a ransom sacrifice after he was done.Those who heard and saw Jesus became witnesses of the power and glory of God the Almighty.True Christianity is what Jesus preached to his followers in the 1st century.Anything other than that is not true christianity.Christendom is counterfeit christianity.


3.Jesus dressed like all the rest of the poor.Although poor,they still had weddings,festivals and dressed up.There were no suits in Jesus day.Today,suits are the norm for going out or attending important functions.There were those though who dressed like royalty and considered themselves above the rest.

Luke 20:46 "Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets.


Luke 11:43 "Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces.


It is the same today.

READ THIS.

The sto·le′, as referred to in the Christian Greek Scriptures, was a stately robe reaching down to the feet. Jesus criticized the scribes for loving to wear this type of robe in public places to attract attention and to impress people with their importance. (Lu 20:46) The angel at Jesus’ tomb was wearing this form of clothing. (Mr 16:5) It was this robe, “the best,” that was put on the prodigal son at his return. (Lu 15:22) And the martyred servants of God in John’s vision are clothed with the sto·le′ (Re 6:11), as are also the members of the “great crowd.”—Re 7:9, 13, 14.

Dress — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

Popes,bishops,cardinals etc... these walk around with long robes and expect respect.Living in lavish mansions while the poor are helpless.It is all part of the big show.You here of these things all the time.One recently,a bishop was busted buying a 44 million dollar mansion.Another was caught smuggling in millions and arrested into Vatican city.He was involved with the Vatican bank.These people have their own agenda as did the Pharisees in the days of Jesus.They are proud and rich.They walk around with rich garments and expect respect from everyone.Jesus would not approve of this behavior.He did not then, and he will not today.

4.Just to add to what I already stated before.No,these men are not humble.Jesus and his followers were humble.Being humble and like a child when it comes to learning and preaching the word of God is being christ like.Using the golden rule and applying it daily.Loving others more than yourself.Helping those in need and feeding the poor.It says in the holy scriptures that the meek shall inherit the earth.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

Meek:quiet, gentle, and easily imposed on; submissive:

Humble:having or showing a modest or low estimate of one's own importance:

These are not the traits of those who run the Vatican.

Jesus would never be part of what you see today in the Vatican.He is against everything they stand for.Idol worship,greed,murder,homosexuality etc.. These are things of the devil,not of God.

I am not misinformed.It is quite the opposite,I am awake and can see the lies.Those who can not see this are blinded and spiritually sick.

2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

 

[moorea944]

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"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

That verse should say in Greek, "deity", not 'Godhead'.

Look at this verse, for in him dwelleth all the fulness of God. Of course, God has given His son all power. This verse has nothing to do with Jesus being God or co-equal. Nothing like that. God has "given" all power and authority to His son. All power...

Look at 2 Peter 1v4 "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." Great promises are given unto us that someday we will be partakers in the same divine nature. Someday, we will be "like God". We will not be God, we will be "like" God. Just like the angels, they share a divine nature, like Christ. They are like God. But not God.

You take verses out of context to fit into your beliefs. That's not good.
QUOTE="katiemygirl, post: 4139142, member: 29151"]Can you explain Col. 2:9?[/QUOTE]

 

[cataway]

How about addressing my last post to you? You keep skipping around. It's hard to keep up with you. The post I wrote was in response to moorea. Can we get back to our discussion rather than going down a variety of paths. You never get anywhere when you do that.

you said ''Wrong! The kingdom is here now'' then I said ''there a few things missing , do you know what they are ?
I'd like to point out that the kingdom , when it gets here , its going to be doing many wonderful things. do you know what the wonderful things are ?

 

[katiemygirl]

No, not at all. Kingdom is not here yet. It is not spiriitual as in you can see it. It is spiritual as in it will be a Kingdom from God on earth. Look at Dan 2. So many OT books tell us that it will be set up and it will be a real kingdom at Christ's coming.

I have studied Daniel 2 in depth. I have also studied your view of a future kingdom, and I cannot reconcile it with the rest of the Bible.

[Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom two thousand years ago..]
Re-read it. Those are literal keys.

Lieral? Keys to a building? Explain. What are the keys to the kingdom?

Why did Jesus say, "There will be some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom come with power? Mark 9:1

 

[cataway]

Wharton
Jesus bestowed on Peter some very important privileges in that congregation. He did not give Peter primacy over the other apostles, as some have assumed, but he gave him responsibilities. He gave Peter “the keys of the kingdom.” (Matthew 16:19) It would be Peter’s job to open the hope of entering God’s Kingdom to three different fields of mankind—first to the Jews, then to the Samaritans, and finally to the Gentiles, or non-Jews.

 

[katiemygirl]

you said ''Wrong! The kingdom is here now'' then I said ''there a few things missing , do you know what they are ?
I'd like to point out that the kingdom , when it gets here , its going to be doing many wonderful things. do you know what the wonderful things are ?

Cataway, the post about the kingdom was not to you. It was to moorea. I posted to you AGAIN the conversation you and I were having, which was partly about Col. 2:9.. It was not about the kingdom. You seem to be having difficulty keeping track of conversations. I'll be posting to moorea about the kingdom. You can read them if you'd like. Meanwhile, I hope you can get back on track with OUR conversation.