Can someone explain the Trinity please...

[Wharton]

"his own [Son]? Where is that in the bible?
We were talking about Acts 20:28, weren’t we?

You have to use their NWT. That's where it's found. Good luck arguing that point as you can see from the post above.

 

[JM2C]

17 For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him



10 For if, when we were enemies, we became reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, now that we have become reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.



. 9 God is faithful, by whom YOU were called into a sharing with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.



4 God sent forth his Son, who came to be out of a woman and who came to be under law, 5 that he might release by purchase those under law, that we, in turn, might receive the adoption as sons.


7 However, if we are walking in the light as he himself is in the light, we do have a sharing with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin

The Son of God is God.

Unambiguously Hebrews 1:8’s “Thy Throne, O God” cleared all grammatical and semantic interpretations of John chapter 1 as:

1) The Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God in verse 34

2) Is God in verses 1 and 18

3) Who was with God in the beginning in verses 1 and 2

4) And at the bosom of the God the Father in verse 18.

 

[cataway]

taken from the emphatic diaglott

notice how it read at the bottom were it reads '' the reader can supply the elliptical words after Own, whether it be son, or lamb...''

 

[Wharton]

taken from the emphatic diaglott

notice how it read at the bottom were it reads '' the reader can supply the elliptical words after Own, whether it be son, or lamb...''

Emphatic diaglott? A WBTS precursor to the NWT. Written by one man and the copyright purchased by CT Russell. Great non-biased source. LOL.

 

[JM2C]

all scripture ,on a subject ,has to work with other scripture . if it does not its no better than someone inventing/twisting scripture to fill a need of beliefs.

Did you mean something like these verses?

JN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

JN 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

JN 5:18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God

JN 8:24 “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

JN 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am. [ego eimi]”

JN 10:30 “ I and the Father are one.”

JN 10:36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘ I am the Son of God’?

JN 12:41 These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory, and he spoke of Him.
ISA 6:1 In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple.

JN 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

AC 20:28 “Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

TIT 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
TIT 2:14 who gave Himself [See Acts 20:28 "His own blood"] for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.

RO 9:5 whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.


1TI 3:16 By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh [See John 1:14],
Was vindicated in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations,
Believed on in the world,
Taken up in glory.

ISA 7:14 “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin [Your friend Moffatt twisted, adulterated the word "virgin" into "young woman with child"] will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
MT 1:23 “BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.”

MT 22:44 “The Lord (YHWH) says to my Lord (ADNY/Jesus), Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.” [Your friend Anthony Buzzard twisted, adulterated the word "Lord" into "lord/master"]

PS 110:1 “The Lord (YHWH) says to my Lord (ADNY/Jesus), Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.””

Phil 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

COL 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
COL 1:16 For by Him all things were created [Sounds familiar? Try John 1:3], both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
COL 1:17 He is before all things [I hope you are not thinking Proverbs 8], and in Him all things hold together.

HEB 1:1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
HEB 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son [See verse 8], whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
HEB 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
HEB 1:4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

And you guys thought the Lord Jesus Christ is just an angel of God. You got it wrong from this verse.

All these verses here are saying only one thing, and that is, the Lord Jesus Christ is God, the Son of God.

You guys are going to be doing nothing but twisting, altering, adulterating these verses for a very, very long time or just rewrite the whole bible on which you did with your twisted delusional NWT.

Now, tell me who is “inventing/twisting scripture to fill a need of beliefs”?

More of these verses if you want.

 

[JM2C]

its well known that when translating one language to another, that sometimes , something gets lost in the translation .when that happens words have to be used to complete whats been said. sorry, you for your part ,..............you're supporting a weak argument .

The burden of proof is on your side so you have to provide or twist the word of God so you can justify your arguments.

I have the right translation of Acts 20:28 in Greek on which I did not have to modify or adulterate like the NWT.

 

[JM2C]

taken from the emphatic diaglott


notice how it read at the bottom were it reads '' the reader can supply the elliptical words after Own, whether it be son, or lamb...''

Your modern day translators, [modern compare to Aquila, Theodotion, Symachus, and even Jerome] are nothing but the continuation of the alterations, adulterations of the word of God.

For example, Irenaeus [202 AD] concerning Isaiah 7:14: The Septuagint/LXX/OG clearly writes of a virgin that shall conceive. While the Hebrew text was, according to Irenaeus, at that time interpreted by Theodotion and Aquila (both proselytes of the Jewish faith) as a young woman that shall conceive. According to Irenaeus, the Ebionites used this to claim that Joseph was the (biological) father of Jesus. From Irenaeus' point of view that was pure heresy, facilitated by (late) anti-Christian alterations of the scripture in Hebrew, as evident by the older, pre-Christian, Septuagint/LXX/OG. -wiki

So, if you compare these people, [Aquila, Theodotion, Symachus] to Moffatt’s translation of Isaiah’s 7:14 from the original “virgin/Parthenos/Septuagint/LXX/OG” to Moffatt's “a young woman with child” you can see the similarities that these people, then and now, are nothing but the anti-Christians, but I preferred anti-Christ instead, that Irenaeus was saying that was altering the very Word of God.

 

[moorea944]

Did you mean something like these verses?

JN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

JN 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

JN 5:18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God

JN 8:24 “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

JN 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am. [ego eimi]”

JN 10:30 “ I and the Father are one.”

JN 10:36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘ I am the Son of God’?

JN 12:41 These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory, and he spoke of Him.
ISA 6:1 In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple.

JN 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

AC 20:28 “Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

TIT 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
TIT 2:14 who gave Himself [See Acts 20:28 "His own blood"] for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.

RO 9:5 whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.


1TI 3:16 By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh [See John 1:14],
Was vindicated in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations,
Believed on in the world,
Taken up in glory.

ISA 7:14 “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin [Your friend Moffatt twisted, adulterated the word "virgin" into "young woman with child"] will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
MT 1:23 “BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.”

MT 22:44 “The Lord (YHWH) says to my Lord (ADNY/Jesus), Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.” [Your friend Anthony Buzzard twisted, adulterated the word "Lord" into "lord/master"]

PS 110:1 “The Lord (YHWH) says to my Lord (ADNY/Jesus), Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.””

Phil 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

COL 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
COL 1:16 For by Him all things were created [Sounds familiar? Try John 1:3], both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
COL 1:17 He is before all things [I hope you are not thinking Proverbs 8], and in Him all things hold together.

HEB 1:1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
HEB 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son [See verse 8], whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
HEB 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
HEB 1:4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

And you guys thought the Lord Jesus Christ is just an angel of God. You got it wrong from this verse.

All these verses here are saying only one thing, and that is, the Lord Jesus Christ is God, the Son of God.

You guys are going to be doing nothing but twisting, altering, adulterating these verses for a very, very long time or just rewrite the whole bible on which you did with your twisted delusional NWT.

Now, tell me who is “inventing/twisting scripture to fill a need of beliefs”?

More of these verses if you want.

Actually, it's people who believe that Jesus is God are the ones who bring their beliefs into scripture. They make the bible into a trinitarian bible. Jesus is the son of God, not God the Son. Those verses above are wonderful verses showing us that God works through His Son.

 

[Katzpur]

The NWT is not reliable or consistent. It is a sectarian paraphrase. It is a tool of Satan on par with the Book of Mormon and the Koran.

Stop being so judgmental, Katie. You know as well as I do that Jesus Christ taught that those who sit in judgement of their fellow men will be judged as harshly themselves. You've never even read the Book of Mormon. A book that teaches from the first page to the last that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Redeemer of mankind, and our only hope for reconciliation with our Father in Heaven is not "a tool of Satan." Honestly, I bet you can't quote mor one passage out of the Book of Mormon that Satan could possibly have even indirectly influenced. Your hateful post is far more a tool of Satan than the Book of Mormon.

 

[Wharton]

Actually, it's people who believe that Jesus is God are the ones who bring their beliefs into scripture. They make the bible into a trinitarian bible. Jesus is the son of God, not God the Son. Those verses above are wonderful verses showing us that God works through His Son.

Actually, it's people who believe that Jesus is not God who bring their beliefs into scripture. The OT is full of God's interest in/interaction with his creation. They make God a disinterested party in his creation and that's not going to happen. So he's too busy doing only God knows what else that he delegates man's salvation to an inferior being? So when you stand for judgment be sure to thank and give glory to the inferior being for your salvation and feel free to totally ignore God because he was too lazy to get personally involved. He deserves no glory.

 

[cataway]

So when you stand for judgment be sure to thank and give glory to the inferior being for your salvation and feel free to totally ignore God because he was too lazy to get personally involved. He deserves no glory.

did you really say that ?

 

[katiemygirl]

You're getting close. Angels are spirit also, but of a different kind/essence. Let's put it in a simpler form. The father begets the son. They are spirits of the same 'DNA.' Angels are spirits but not of the same 'DNA.' The only difference between the father and the son is procession. The essence/nature is the same. Now if you understood what first century Christians did about the eternal NOW where there is no time then there is no time that God the Son (Jesus) did not exist.

BTW, if you take the 'time' to beget a son why would you want him to be inferior to you?

Like I stated before, you need to have the NWT changed to 'only-created Son' to reflect the difference in essence/nature between the father and the son that you keep stating.

Amen to your comment "There was no time that God, the Son did not exist."

Angels (messengers) are not necessarily spirit beings. I think they can be of both celestial and human origin, considering the definition of angel. There are many accounts of "messengers" throughout the Bible.

 

[katiemygirl]

Actually, it's people who believe that Jesus is not God who bring their beliefs into scripture. The OT is full of God's interest in/interaction with his creation. They make God a disinterested party in his creation and that's not going to happen. So he's too busy doing only God knows what else that he delegates man's salvation to an inferior being? So when you stand for judgment be sure to thank and give glory to the inferior being for your salvation and feel free to totally ignore God because he was too lazy to get personally involved. He deserves no glory.

Jesus gave His life, in the most cruel and humiliating way for us. How can anyone refuse to fall down on their knees to worship and praise Him for His sacrifice? How can anyone refuse to worship Jesus, knowing it is HIM who gives eternal life? It makes no sense.

 

[Unification]

Amen to your comment "There was no time that God, the Son did not exist."

Angels (messengers) are not necessarily spirit beings. I think they can be of both celestial and human origin, considering the definition of angel. There are many accounts of "messengers" throughout the Bible.

If Christ is God and "in you" and through all and IN all, why don't you all just look within for the only truth? Why argue? That's not experiencing or knowing God. If it's impossible or not factual to know God yet God is with us and Christ is in us and in our hearts and the comforter is with us, why can't we know and experience God? If "God is with us" and Christ is in you, and the light is in all of mankind from the beginning, and you weren't left comfortless because the comforter returned to you, why are you still waiting on a physical return? Will some sort of pixie dust be placed on you externally, is that how you're all changed and transformed within? If the end of the world comes after the revelation of the Christ, and destruction, why is He the bright morning star rising in your heart at the end? If Christ is in you, why are you still waiting on the return of Christ? If Christ and the light and Holy Spirit is dwelling within, why don't you look within for answers for the one and only truth? If the Spirit of His Son is crying in your hearts and IN you, why are you still waiting on a return? You all have no idea what you're even worshipping or what is what. Vanity under the sun.

 

[Wharton]

did you really say that ?

Yep. I believe Jesus is God and deserves worship and glory for his sacrifice to enable mans salvation. You need to thank and give glory to an inferior being for your salvation.

 

[katiemygirl]

If Christ is God and "in you" and through all and IN all, why don't you all just look within for the only truth? Why argue? That's not experiencing or knowing God. If it's impossible or not factual to know God yet God is with us and Christ is in us and in our hearts and the comforter is with us, why can't we know and experience God? If "God is with us" and Christ is in you, and the light is in all of mankind from the beginning, and you weren't left comfortless because the comforter returned to you, why are you still waiting on a physical return? Will some sort of pixie dust be placed on you externally, is that how you're all changed and transformed within? If the end of the world comes after the revelation of the Christ, and destruction, why is He the bright morning star rising in your heart at the end? If Christ is in you, why are you still waiting on the return of Christ? If Christ and the light and Holy Spirit is dwelling within, why don't you look within for answers for the one and only truth? If the Spirit of His Son is crying in your hearts and IN you, why are you still waiting on a return? You all have no idea what you're even worshipping or what is what. Vanity under the sun.

It doesn't work that way. God's will isn't found in us. It's found in His word. Why do you think He gave us the Bible?

Psalm 119:5
Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

Read all of Psalm 119.

Sounds like you are leaning on your own understanding. You see where that kind of thinking gets us.

 

[katiemygirl]

Stop being so judgmental, Katie. You know as well as I do that Jesus Christ taught that those who sit in judgement of their fellow men will be judged as harshly themselves. You've never even read the Book of Mormon. A book that teaches from the first page to the last that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Redeemer of mankind, and our only hope for reconciliation with our Father in Heaven is not "a tool of Satan." Honestly, I bet you can't quote mor one passage out of the Book of Mormon that Satan could possibly have even indirectly influenced. Your hateful post is far more a tool of Satan than the Book of Mormon.

As christians, we are to contend for the faith ONCE FOR ALL DELIVERED to the saints. We are to discern false doctrine. I am ready to stand before the Lord and be judged for passing judgement on what I know is false and for what I know contradicts the Bible. I stand by every word I wrote.

 

[Unification]

It doesn't work that way. God's will isn't found in us. It's found in His word. Why do you think He gave us the Bible?

Psalm 119:5
Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

Read all of Psalm 119.

Sounds like you are leaning on your own understanding. You see where that kind of thinking gets us.

That is one of the most evil lies I've heard. I'm truly sorry you haven't heard Him speak to you. Wish you could. Instead, your God is the bible.

 

[katiemygirl]

taken from the emphatic diaglott

notice how it read at the bottom were it reads '' the reader can supply the elliptical words after Own, whether it be son, or lamb...''

You seem to put a lot of faith in the words of men, more than the actual words spoken and recorded by the Holy Spirit.

 

[katiemygirl]

That is one of the most evil lies I've heard. I'm truly sorry you haven't heard Him speak to you. Wish you could. Instead, your God is the bible.

God speaks to us through His word.

Are you a member of the Unification church (aka Moonies)?