Can someone explain this?

[Shadow Wolf]

I was searching for a link of the news story of the gay couple getting ruffed up by security outside the Mormon temple in Salt Lake City for another thread when I came across links of the Mormon church now supporting gay rights. I'm not trying to be rude, but can some explain to me why and how such a massive change in mind happened, to fight tooth and nail to deny gays the right to marriage, to charge a gay couple with trespassing for kissing on temple grounds (but a full on make out session between a hetero couple caught no attention), and now they support gay rights?

SALT LAKE CITY — The Mormon church for the first time has announced its support of gay rights legislation, an endorsement that helped gain unanimous approval for Salt Lake city laws banning discrimination against gays in housing and employment.

Salt Lake OKs gay rights laws with Mormon backing

 

[Smoke]

They don't object to LGBTs having some legal rights, provided it's absolutely clear that we are second-class citizens without the full rights enjoyed by heterosexuals.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

As far as I can see the LDS take the same religious view about Gay relationships as do the Catholics, and some protestant churches.

However the LDS respect their legal civil rights.

Sin is not a legal concept.

 

[Willamena]

It's likely because the discrimination in housing and employment and the moral issue regarding marriage are considered entirely separate issues.

 

[enchanted_one1975]

Most likely they see what is coming and they wish to keep their status as tax exempt. :yes:

 

[Herr Heinrich]

I was searching for a link of the news story of the gay couple getting ruffed up by security outside the Mormon temple in Salt Lake City for another thread when I came across links of the Mormon church now supporting gay rights. I'm not trying to be rude, but can some explain to me why and how such a massive change in mind happened, to fight tooth and nail to deny gays the right to marriage, to charge a gay couple with trespassing for kissing on temple grounds (but a full on make out session between a hetero couple caught no attention), and now they support gay rights?

Salt Lake OKs gay rights laws with Mormon backing

If you look back at the history of the Mormons they did things like this quite frequently. They did the same thing with blacks and polygamy. Oh blacks are supposed to be included now? Ok. Oh everyone else polygamy is bad now? Alrighty. They are very good at conforming to the popular opinion.

 

[Baydwin]

Since when has the Mormon religion ever lived their lives according to God's word the Bible?

They hold the Bible just like the religions of Christendom do, showing they accept it, even read a few Scriptures from it, but they don't obey or live in harmony with Christian requirements. They want to have the appearance they are fine with God's word.

The follower of Jesus who is acceptable to God, his Father in heaven, is one who obeys the Law of the Christ, and lives in harmony with the personality of Jesus. No loop holes or short cuts, just willing to disown oneself for Jesus sake.

I have my problems with the LDS Church as an organisation, with regard to issues like homosexuality. However, from my experience individual Mormons tend to conform better to the "Christian ideal" than do the majority of other Christians.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Since when has the Mormon religion ever lived their lives according to God's word the Bible?

They hold the Bible just like the religions of Christendom do, showing they accept it, even read a few Scriptures from it, but they don't obey or live in harmony with Christian requirements. They want to have the appearance they are fine with God's word.

The follower of Jesus who is acceptable to God, his Father in heaven, is one who obeys the Law of the Christ, and lives in harmony with the personality of Jesus. No loop holes or short cuts, just willing to disown oneself for Jesus sake.

From my experience The LDS are far more assiduous in teaching from the Bible than any other Christian group. All their members spend far more time in study and devotion than almost any other Christian church.
They take Christs teachings very seriously indeed, and follow them In their lives.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

If you look back at the history of the Mormons they did things like this quite frequently. They did the same thing with blacks and polygamy. Oh blacks are supposed to be included now? Ok. Oh everyone else polygamy is bad now? Alrighty. They are very good at conforming to the popular opinion.

You will find that the LDS always conform to the law of the land.
Even Christ made that distinction clear... when discussing ones duty to Cesar and to God.

 

[Valjean]

Since when has the Mormon religion ever lived their lives according to God's word the Bible?

They hold the Bible just like the religions of Christendom do, showing they accept it, even read a few Scriptures from it, but they don't obey or live in harmony with Christian requirements. They want to have the appearance they are fine with God's word.

The follower of Jesus who is acceptable to God, his Father in heaven, is one who obeys the Law of the Christ, and lives in harmony with the personality of Jesus. No loop holes or short cuts, just willing to disown oneself for Jesus sake.

All denominations obey what they see as the Law of the Christ, Trusue. Apparently, though, the Mormons don't adhere to your interpretation of Christlike belief.

 

[Father Heathen]

Are you saying all Christians avoid immoral t.v. programs, that shows fornication, adultery, homosexuality, demonism or witchcraft, sorry you are way off the mark. That also includes avoiding drunkeness, smoking and addictive drugs. All violence in shows and sports, as murder shows, detective shows or gory crime shows. The shows that show fighting instead of peace and chastity. I doubt Jesus would consider those entertainment, and his true followers do avoid them.

Only hypocrites and nominal Christians don't see anything wrong with them.

Why don't all of the "true" Christians just hurry up and drink the cool-aide just to get it over with and to avoid all of the evil sinfulness of the world?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

You guys and your PCness....

They're all hypocrites (IMO)..There...I said it... you were just thinking it....

 

[glassman96]

When a church starts creating their own doctrine to conform to their own lifestyle, then the church becomes corrupt. When people listen to man and ignore the Word of God then they are sealing their own fate. Seek the Truth through Jesus Christ and not man.

 

[glassman96]

Why don't all of the "true" Christians just hurry up and drink the cool-aide just to get it over with and to avoid all of the evil sinfulness of the world?

Because that would be murder. Besides, even though they want to go home and be with God, they know that there is work to be done. They can wait until God calls them home.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

When a church starts creating their own doctrine to conform to their own lifestyle, then the church becomes corrupt. When people listen to man and ignore the Word of God then they are sealing their own fate. Seek the Truth through Jesus Christ and not man.

Yea, this sounds like all of Christianity. Your Yeshua was a devout Jew. He explicitly said that the laws should be followed and anyone teaching them would not be welcomed in the kingdom of heaven.


[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to fulfill them.


I assure you, until heaven and earth disappear, even the smallest detail of God's law will remain until its purpose is achieved.


So if you break the smallest commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
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I'm just saying...........


EDIT: Oh!....Where's my manners....(?).....Welcome to RF

 

[Hevenly Heathen]

The true Christians of this world will get their reward of surviving the end of this world very soon. The true Christians have been warning this world for over a hundred years to get right with God, by obeying the Law of Christ.

The fact is only people who love God and righteousness listen to that warning from Matt. 24:14

To be more specific, Christians have been warning the world since Christ was crucified. That is an awful long time to be waiting. Perhaps it will come, perhaps not, but all religion is subjective. You may agree wit your denominations interpretations, but that does not mean someone else is wrong with theirs.

Arrogance is rife in religions which teach their way as THE way, and that arrogance feeds upon fear kindled by the threatening end/beginning coming any time since Christ was crucified. Fear opens the door to evil. If you feel afraid, survival kicks in and it is 'fight or flight,' and compassion goes out the window as you try to defend your beliefs and destroy others.

Please listen to your Christ and judge not. Please practice love, not hate. Please learn compassion, not intolerance.

I too have my quarrels with LDS faith, I was once a member, but in my experience, the Mormons believe in justice, which everyone is entitled to. They do not believe in homosexuality as being moral, but that does not give them the right to deny basic rights inherent to all mankind, just that they don't believe they are natural and see them as wrong, which is fine, that's their opinion, but at least they are willing to see that homosexuals are people, and that they deserve rights, no matter that their religion teaches against it.

This is an exceptional example of tolerance from a religion, more should follow suit. People are people, no matter creed or choice or color or sex or nationality or hair length, and all should receive the same rights regardless of another individuals religious preferences.

How can a true follower of Jesus be so set against so many people, Tursue? It doesn't seem Christian...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Are you saying all Christians avoid immoral t.v. programs, that shows fornication, adultery, homosexuality, demonism or witchcraft, sorry you are way off the mark. That also includes avoiding drunkeness, smoking and addictive drugs. All violence in shows and sports, as murder shows, detective shows or gory crime shows. The shows that show fighting instead of peace and chastity. I doubt Jesus would consider those entertainment, and his true followers do avoid them.

Only hypocrites and nominal Christians don't see anything wrong with them.

I'd say that anyone who reads the Bible on a regular basis isn't going out of his way to avoid depictions of violence (or several of the other things you mentioned).

Edit: getting back to the OP, are you saying that the LDS Church rejects "proper" Christian belief by supporting limited rights for LGBT people, or that they reject "proper" Christian belief by not supporting full rights for LGBT people?

 

[Hevenly Heathen]

Does he teach them to judge? If not, how can they go about preaching until they have judged someone lacking? I think what you have posted above as a Jehovah's witness' way is wonderful, but you are here, arguing against others, you have judged them and are trying to point out their faults. Jesus taught by example, he didn't seek others to change their ways, others sought him through his reputation and example.

 

[Dware]

The mormon book used to say blacks were devils to. LSD is really a shady religion started by a shady con-man.

 

[IF_u_knew]

They don't object to LGBTs having some legal rights, provided it's absolutely clear that we are second-class citizens without the full rights enjoyed by heterosexuals.

:kissbette Their objections to how it is that you would like to live your life doesn't at all make it clear that you are a 2nd class citizen and rather makes it clear that they don't truly worship the Creator of ALL mankind (worship of God, imho, is respecting and treating fairly all of the creation of God .. which you are certainly a part of). And trust me, as a heterosexual, I can assure you that as far as marriages being recognized ... no, wait ... dictated by the State go, you aren't missing out on anything all THAT enjoyable. I wouldn't do it again ... learned my lesson the FIRST time on this one.

Now granted, I am not objecting ppl having the right to have their say so and given that we are no longer a constitutional republic (having lost all value and meaning in what that entails) but heading more and more toward social democracy .. well then, majority rules. Then you might understand all the rush of competition for converts in the different forms of Christianity (I believe the Mormons have come out to acknowledge that they are such more recently) as well as in Islam.