Can truth be believed,

[swamplizard]

or can it only be known?

best,
swampy

 

[Gjallarhorn]

What is truth?

 

[swamplizard]

What is truth?

Hi Gjallarhorn,

Yes.

best,
swampy

 

[9Westy9]

What is truth?

truth is what's correct objectively.

 

[9Westy9]

Truth can be believed but I don't think it can be known.

 

[swamplizard]

truth is what's correct objectively.

Hi Westy,

Would that objectivity be based upon belief(s)?

best,
swampy

 

[swamplizard]

Truth can be believed but I don't think it can be known.

Westy,

If it is a belief, then is it not a guess? If it is known, is it not true?

best,
swampy

 

[9Westy9]

Hi Westy,

Would that objectivity be based upon belief(s)?

best,
swampy

Nope. Truth is separate from belief.

Westy,

If it is a belief, then is it not a guess? If it is known, is it not true?

best,
swampy

Pretty much. It's a choose your poison decision . Some seem less deadly than the others though.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

truth is what's correct objectively.

So the question is whether we can ever experience objectivity...

I'd say no, or at least, never directly. We must first create a map to allow us to view it, and even the most complex map that overlays the entire objective landscape perfectly is not objective.

 

[Yerda]

or can it only be known?

best,
swampy

If you don't believe something, how can you know it?

 

[swamplizard]

Westy,

So truth would be based upon knowledge, which would be innately objective?

best,
swampy

 

[9Westy9]

Westy,

So truth would be based upon knowledge, which would be innately objective?

best,
swampy

Yes. I'll leave that task to the epistemologists

 

[swamplizard]

If you don't believe something, how can you know it?

Hi Jaiket,

I do not believe (not the same as disbelief) I exist, I know that I do.

best regards,
swampy

 

[Yerda]

Hi Jaiket,

I do not believe (not the same as disbelief) I exist, I know that I do.

best regards,
swampy

In what ways do you think "I do not believe I exist" differs from disbelief?

In the little epistemology I've read, belief is a neccesary component of knowledge. You can believe something without knowing it, but you can't know something without believing it.

 

[Quintessence]

It can only be believed. I say this because as humans, our ability to understand reality is very limited. We are not capable of fully comprehending or "knowing" anything. We only have beliefs about things based on the parts that we are able to grasp.

 

[Willamena]

or can it only be known?

best,
swampy

By the most popular definition, what is known is believed and is true.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't trust truth.
It's just an opinion what's put'n on airs.

 

[Willamena]

I don't trust truth.
It's just an opinion what's put'n on airs.

Is that true?

 

[YmirGF]

Given that "truth" is relative to the information at hand, it is, obviously, believable, though one may have to adjust their thinking in order to accommodate reality.

 

[swamplizard]

In what ways do you think "I do not believe I exist" differs from disbelief?

In the little epistemology I've read, belief is a neccesary component of knowledge. You can believe something without knowing it, but you can't know something without believing it.

Mornin Jaiket,

Check out this thread for more on the topic:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/philosophy/121249-knowing-vs-awareness.html

best,
swampy