• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Can you fall in love with God?

Nooj

none
I believe that God loves me. I wonder if it's possible for me to love God.

What would it mean to love God?

There's this great passage in Mark:

Mark 1:14-20

Now after John was arrested, Jesus came to Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God has come near; repent, and believe in the good news.” As Jesus passed along the Sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and his brother Andrew casting a net into the sea—for they were fishermen. And Jesus said to them, “Follow me and I will make you fish for people.” And immediately they left their nets and followed him. As he went a little farther, he saw James son of Zebedee and his brother John, who were in their boat mending the nets. Immediately he called them; and they left their father Zebedee in the boat with the hired men, and followed him.
It seems to me that this might be the only compelling reason why any of the disciples of Jesus followed him and stuck with him, why any of his followers followed him at all. Love at first sight (or first listen).
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I would think that the form of love between humans and gods would be something akin to a deep trust or respect. With deep trust or respect comes a desire to serve, honor, or worship. We might say that this is the basis for all ritual devotion in the world's religions - we worship things that we love, value, appreciate, or respect.
 

HeatherAnn

Active Member
I would think that the form of love between humans and gods would be something akin to a deep trust or respect. With deep trust or respect comes a desire to serve, honor, or worship. We might say that this is the basis for all ritual devotion in the world's religions - we worship things that we love, value, appreciate, or respect.

Nice thought.

Nooj,
I've wondered similarly...
Since optimum self-esteem cannot depend on imperfect human beings nor conditional/temporary aspects of us, the only lasting source would be belief in one's inherent worth, which implies meaning in our existence & gratitude points to how we all came to exist.

I define God as Love...
I define Love as striving for what's best...
What's best is discovered by trial & error- thought, feeling & action.
Our purpose & our inherent drive is to love better & better...

To be in love with Love might be striving for what's best with such passion & humble submissiveness to what intuition tells us is best.
Although the process would involve detachment - not clinging to any one passionate pursuit/striving, yet to really be in love with Love would also involve a sense of emotional & spiritual closeness, which would involve faith in a higher power. Still, because our awareness of higher powers is limited & subjective, our love will necessarily need to evolve as we learn new perspectives. So in the back of our minds needs to be an understanding & faith that although we may love our imagination of God now (& consider how cloud99 romantic in-love is based on imagination) there's much more to God than we are presently aware of. Relationships can fall out of love when our imaginations become less pleasant &/or reality can no longer be ignored, similar dynamic with how we relate with God. Again, there needs to be a strong faith that although there are "ugly" truths, love and beauty are overwhelming.
 
Last edited:

jimniki

supremely undecisive
Do you hate Satan just as much?
It's the same potent emotion .... That of absolute conviction....

I don't love either ...
But I do love my 71 mach1 mustang. It brings me joy ... (When it's not raining)...
Have a beautiful day ...god's looking at you right now!
 

HeatherAnn

Active Member
Jimniki,
My Dad also loves cars & has a garage to work on them that's nicer than his house. :)

What if you became paralyzed and could no longer enjoy your Mustang?
Maybe your conviction is based on something temporary, not lasting.

Do you think it's possible for you to experience anything (including God/Spiritual feelings or Satan/negative feelings) outside of you?
So if you hate or love either, isn't it experienced within you?

I hope you also have a beautiful day!
 
Last edited:

jimniki

supremely undecisive
I love my one and only wife ... She's my soulmate and best friend...
I love my chocolate oriental
I love being with friends and family
Lastly, materialistic possessions are a nice distraction only.
They can never ever be anything more than that...

I have found in my 51 years that only 1 thing will truly make you happy, content and complete.
It's the affection of another human being ...

Get that part sorted out, and you'll find that the rest is only there to qualify the happiness you already have...

Cheers...
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I suspect loving a god would for most of us involve loving our concept of that god.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
True but I think that can apply to loving humans too.

Good point. I think when it applies to humans, we are quicker to recognize how false it is than we are to recognize how false it is when it applies to deity.
 

Nooj

none
True but I think that can apply to loving humans too.

that reminds me of something that i read from nietzsche, he says that one loves ultimately one’s desire. and not the thing desired.

to be completely honest, this frightens me a lot. a lot! cos if i love the idea i have of a person and not the person themself, well then am i really loving at all?

the risk is maybe even greater with god, because he's so easy to replace with what we want him to be.
 

HeatherAnn

Active Member
that reminds me of something that i read from nietzsche, he says that one loves ultimately one’s desire. and not the thing desired.

to be completely honest, this frightens me a lot. a lot! cos if i love the idea i have of a person and not the person themself, well then am i really loving at all?

the risk is maybe even greater with god, because he's so easy to replace with what we want him to be.
I've also feared that, and that's why I believe so strongly in psych-ology- the study of the soul.
Our desires can be like hidden dangerous monsters, but when shadow aspects of us are brought to light, they're manageable. Since from birth for several years, we depend on others for survival, the tendency to adhere to tribal thought (political, Theist, Atheist, etc) is very strong, but dangerous.

Friedrich Nietzsche said, "In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule."
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
The problem we have in discussing the word "love" in English is that we don't have the right vocabulary and make one word serve many different purposes. Love can mean desire, affection, longing, Divine Love and so much more.

A key differentiating factor for me is the difference between grasping love and giving love. If "I" is at the center, then the love is for what I will gain/get/hold/acquire/enjoy. If "I" is not at the center, then the happiness of the beloved is at the center and the lover is happy to sacrifice for the beloved.

To tie this back to the question, history has many examples of those who have fallen in love with God. So, yes you can fall in love for God. But the question to me is: are you falling in love with what you want God to give to you or not?
 

Amechania

Daimona of the Helpless
To me love is a mutual thing. I may greatly admire someone and desire them so much that I become convinced I love them but if that love is not returned my feelings can easily turn into something very unloving indeed. In theory God loves humans, and that makes it possible for humans to love God. The love of God facilitates the love of God.
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
Because Nietzsche came up:

"Love for one person is a piece of barbarism: for it is practiced at the expense of all others. Love of God likewise."
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
I'm not sure. All I know is that god fell in love with me. Couldn't get him to stop stalking me awhile back. Had to change my phone number and move to get that whacko to stop harrassing me.
 

Nooj

none
Because Nietzsche came up:

"Love for one person is a piece of barbarism: for it is practiced at the expense of all others. Love of God likewise."

i've read that one as well. i wrote something a while back about it.

Die Liebe zu Einem ist eine Barbarei: denn sie wird auf Unkosten aller Übrigen ausgeübt. Auch die Liebe zu Gott.
the love of *one* is barbaric: for it is exercised at the expense of others. likewise the love of god.

aside from the jab at the commandment of jesus to love god as being one of the most important commandments, doesn't nietzsche sounds like levinas here? the character of love is preferential, necessarily so (?). to love who i love at any one time means to not love another person at the same time. to love one means to hate another.

what this reminds me of is luke 14:26 and matthew 10:37

Εἴ τις ἔρχεται πρός με καὶ οὐ μισεῖ τὸν πατέρα ἑαυτοῦ καὶ τὴν μητέρα καὶ τὴν γυναῖκα καὶ τὰ τέκνα καὶ τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς καὶ τὰς ἀδελφάς, ἔτι τε καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν ἑαυτοῦ, οὐ δύναται εἶναί μου μαθητής.
if anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and his mother and his wife and his children and his brothers and his sisters, and even his own life, he cannot be my follower.

Ὁ φιλῶν πατέρα ἢ μητέρα ὑπὲρ ἐμὲ οὐκ ἔστιν μου ἄξιος· καὶ ὁ φιλῶν υἱὸν ἢ θυγατέρα ὑπὲρ ἐμὲ οὐκ ἔστιν μου ἄξιος·
the one who loves his father or mother over me is not worthy of me. and the one who loves his son or daughter over me is not worthy of me.

well this is disturbing, since it looks like jesus wants all our love. and yet we too want to leave some space for the love of others, don't we? if you think of jesus as your lover, and jesus is a jealous lover, well then he is asking us for our love, our complete and undivided attention on him. in this way i see these verses as the command of a lover and there's no room to argue here by saying to him, ohhh but sweetie, that's a bit extreme. in the same way that when someone says to you that 'i'll love you forever' the appropriate response is rarely if ever 'actually, you'll probably only love me for a couple of years but whatevs'.

but surely jesus can't mean hate, right? some people try to lessen the force of this disturbing verse. they interpret hate to mean love less than. i think that misses the point. put simply, i don't think jesus is telling us 'if anyone comes to me and does not love less his own mother [than me], he cannot be my follower'. i don't think love is that kind of quantifiable thing and shouldn't even be talked about in a quantitative way. we should get rid of talk about loving less or more or numbers or percentages here. how can you talk of love at the expense of another (auf Unkosten), as if love was a kind of currency and you have a piggy bank of love into which you make deposits and make transactions! i think nietzsche was onto something, but i don't think he's saying that love itself is a bad thing. only the kind of love that one assumes is love. the kind of mercantile love that is assumed to be love, because heck isn't that what love is? i scratch your back, you scratch mine? payment for services rendered?

no. i don't think so.

matthew's jesus is talking about loving one *over* the other, not loving one less or more than the other. by loving your mother *over* jesus, what you are doing is hating jesus. this is absolute talk, without negotiation of prices and a little bit of love in this corner and a little bit of love portioned for that person. siimilarly if you love your life, you hate the life of someone else.

have a look at luke 17:33

ὃς ἐὰν ζητήσῃ τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ περιποιήσασθαι ἀπολέσει αὐτήν, ὃς δ' ἂν ἀπολέσει / ἀπολέσῃ ζωογονήσει αὐτήν.
whoever should seek to preserve their life for themselves, they will lose it, but whoever should lose their life, will keep it alive.

it's a super amazing line if you stop to think about it. i've more often that not just skipped over it by saying that it's just rhetorical. but it's not. i believe jesus means it.

the person who seeks to preserve their life for themselves is like a person who won't take the bread from their mouth to feed the hunger of the other. the one who is afraid of being hungry, and so keeps the food for themselves. but levinas sees the possibility of another way of living:

Donner, être-pour-l’autre, malgré soi, mais en interrompant le pour-soi, c’est arracher le pain à sa bouche, nourrir la faim de l’autre de mon propre jeûne.
to give, to-be-for-the-other, despite oneself, but by interrupting the for-oneself, that is to take the bread from one's mouth, to feed the hunger of the other with my own fasting.

jesus goes farther than levinas, says the full implications where levinas falls silent. in seeking to preserve your life, you will destroy it. keeping your bread for yourself will end up starving YOU.

similarly, could you say that the love you have for your friends and family will not actually end up as love at all? is it possible that your love for another will end up as hatred, not only of that distant foreign other other whom you neglect (the person in trouble you see on tv), but that your most beloved is also hated in the very fact that you love them? how could this be so?

Kierkegaard says that loving jesus is not simply an interpolation or intrusion into the secret love of two. but that where there is two lovers, there is always the third lover, without whom there is no love at all.

the god-relationship is the mark by which the love for people is recognised as genuine. as soon as a love-relationship does not lead me to god, and as soon as i in the love-relationship do not lead the other to god, then the love, even if it were the highest bliss and delight of affection, even if it were the supreme good of the lovers' earthly life, is still not true love. this the world can never get into its head, that god in this way not only becomes the third party in every relationship of love but really becomes the sole object of love, so that it is not the husband who is the wife's beloved, but it is god, and it is the wife who is helped by the husband to love god, and conversely, and so on. the merely human view of love can never go beyond mutuality: the lover is the beloved, and the beloved is the lover. christianity teaches that such a love has not yet found its true object - god. the love-relaitonship requires threeness: the lover, the beloved, the love - but the love is god. therefore to love another person is to help that person to love god, and to be loved is to be helped.

if that is so, then in the context of the bible passages i just quoted, to privilege your mother, father, son, daughter or yourself over jesus, it turns out, is to not love them at all. this especially makes sense if you believe as i do that we cannot love others without god, who is the mysterious fount of love, from which all love derives. to 'love' the other over god, is like grasping at the air, for you'll never successfully attain that love.

Doesn’t this mean that to love god, that means to hate your beloved? Again yes, but no. it is not a matter of what you do, but a matter of dispossessing yourself. God does not ask anything for himself, but asks everything from you.
 
Last edited:

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Can you fall in love with God?

I say 'Yes'. Bhakti Yoga is the most popular path in Hinduism. It's main focus is love of the divine, and then the divine is seen in all beings. God/Brahman is beyond name and form and beyond normal conceptualization. So it is hard for most people to feel love to this. However, it is quite easy for many to feel love for God when given a name and form and a being we can relate to; like Jesus or Krishna.
 

nash8

Da man, when I walk thru!
I believe that God loves me. I wonder if it's possible for me to love God.

What would it mean to love God?

There's this great passage in Mark:

It seems to me that this might be the only compelling reason why any of the disciples of Jesus followed him and stuck with him, why any of his followers followed him at all. Love at first sight (or first listen).

From my own Panenthiestic view, loving God would imply loving anything that is contained within the universe, and by my own particular definition of love, that could simply imply genuinely "thinking" positively about any person, animal, or any other aspect of the universe.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
From my own Panenthiestic view, loving God would imply loving anything that is contained within the universe, and by my own particular definition of love, that could simply imply genuinely "thinking" positively about any person, animal, or any other aspect of the universe.
I think that's a good point-of-view. To me there are many levels and stages of love, and you've articulated one important aspect.
 
Top