buddhist
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I celebrate everyone's freedom of choice. I'm sorry for people who can't tolerate the idea that others can and should possess the freedom and right to choose things different from what they might choose for themselves.
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Canadian Healthcare. Is It Really Better Than The United States?
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I celebrate reality, in which a community is not where everyone is an island and sacrificing efficient means for communal health and function for an oversimplified and almost propagandic view of "free choice" is silly, selfish and irresponsible.
buddhist
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Can I define "communal health and function"?
You get a vote, just like everybody else.
No, because you've already had several examples which you arbitrarily dismiss for this fantasy world nobody is or will live in.
buddhist
Well-Known Member
And I vote for libertarianism
buddhist
Well-Known Member
So you're anti-freedom?
Better hope that the water company doesn't have an agreement with some other "fire fighting contractor" for exclusive rights to the hydrant closest to your house.
I changed my mind. Change an "oversimplified and almost propagandic view of "free choice" is silly, selfish and irresponsible" to "oversimplified and completely propagandic view of "free choice" is silly, selfish and irresponsible."
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
This deplorable, crusty, old NeoCon certainly agrees with you on this note. How to say it? I am a huge champion of individual rights, but those inalienable rights cannot infringe on the rights of other individuals (or the community one finds themselves a part of). We are social animals.
To get back to the OP. Here in Canada, way back in the 50's our leaders decided it was fair and reasonable to provide the citizens, rich and poor, with universal health care. This is not free and was never touted as being free. We just decided, it was a good thing to do and has proven its value over the test of time in innumerable ways. I don't particularly mind that I had to wait 6 months for a cat-scan or 3 months for a MRI scan. I lived. I also don't mind that I've had to wait for 2 years with a hole in my abdomen. I wished it wasn't that long, but I'm not dying. It's just inconvenient and is great fun at parties. "Go ahead, push my button!" March 17/17 is my date with the knife.
buddhist
Well-Known Member
Thanks for your opinion. In my opinion, I think authoritarianism is outrageous, despicable, and contemptuous to the divine, free-will nature of individuals possessed with free-choice.
If you think having to pay into any public services in a community is authoritarianism then I recommend moving to a mountaintop somewhere.
buddhist
Well-Known Member
I think that if such services are so inherently great, then few would have any problem voluntarily paying for it, if it fits their needs.
Hey good luck and speedy recovery with your surgery.This deplorable, crusty, old NeoCon certainly agrees with you on this note. How to say it? I am a huge champion of individual rights, but those inalienable rights cannot infringe on the rights of other individuals (or the community one finds themselves a part of). We are social animals.
To get back to the OP. Here in Canada, way back in the 50's our leaders decided it was fair and reasonable to provide the citizens, rich and poor, with universal health care. This is not free and was never touted as being free. We just decided, it was a good thing to do and has proven its value over the test of time in innumerable ways. I don't particularly mind that I had to wait 6 months for a cat-scan or 3 months for a MRI scan. I lived. I also don't mind that I've had to wait for 2 years with a hole in my abdomen. I wished it wasn't that long, but I'm not dying. It's just inconvenient and is great fun at parties. "Go ahead, push my button!" March 17/17 is my date with the knife.
If it makes you feel better a combination of my private insurance's pending approval, their required visits and tests, and having to schedule with in-network surgeons and doctors pushed my gallbladder surgery out a long time too.
Few have a problem voluntarily paying for it through taxes for reasons already inumerated.
buddhist
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Taxes are not voluntary.
Few have a problem paying it through taxes.
US should have a hybrid system like some European countries. Having a public option in the US shouldn't be looked at as replacing existing care, rather it should be looked at as a way to break up their monopoly over the healthcare system since most all insurance companies collude with each other.
Having no alternative to private insurance is why health insurance companies in the US get away with what they do. They'll be forced to compete instead of the other way around.
Having no alternative to private insurance is why health insurance companies in the US get away with what they do. They'll be forced to compete instead of the other way around.
Then why do you support it?