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Capitalism is right because...

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Also in feudalism they fight each other and in American slavery that turned into a war, so is it really as efficient?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I think capitalism encourages innovation better than other systems. Now innovation is not necessarily a good thing -- consider, for instance, an innovative product that brings about even more rapid deforestration. However, innovation can be a good thing. And since capitalism seems to excel at promoting innovation, I think it should be counted as a general strength of capitalism.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
doesn't capitalism assume.....all are free to pursue prosperity

Capitalist ideals are very different from capitalist practice in that regard. Ideally, all are free to pursue prosperity. But if you believe that is how things work in actual practice, then you are quite naive. In practice, capitalism can actually hinder people from pursuing prosperity. For instance, it can be in the interests of powerful capitalists to keep wages low and workers impoverished in order to maximize profits.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
People have incentive to work.

Some forms of socialism also provide incentives to work. For instance, a guaranteed minimum income would provide incentives to work if the income was set at a point that covered basic needs but not luxuries.

They can get an education, religious service, and job however and wherever they want.

The same can be said of most socialist or mixed socialist/capitalist systems.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
For most of the global south this is a myth.
How about this? If a poor country drops its taxes and military size they motivate people to come in and set up shop. They may be far from prosperity because they are a poor country, but as the country increases its wealth then they grow because of this decision. I don't like people dying in the streets though of course. Do you like this or not?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I am, as a liberal, quite pro-capitalism, because as has been stated by a couple of others (@Sunstone, @Thief, @Robocop,) it does encourage individual endeavour, creativity, entrepreneurialism and so on. " That is a good thing!

However, I do not think that unregulated capitalism -- or what we might call a kind of fundamentalist "free market" -- is necessarily good. I think that rules limiting just how far you can go act as both protection and (as Mr. Watts discovered in inventing the steam engine) a "governor" that tends to keep things under a bit of our own control.

Unfettered capitalism, as envisaged by some of the largest and richest contributors to the conservative "foundations" that seek to influence US politics, has led to things like Love Canal ("hey, we're here to make money, not clean up after ourselves!). And I don't think it's wise to forget that it is those unfettered capitalists that have outsourced all those US jobs to Asia, resulting in the rust belt that just elected Trump.

Or, possibly more importantly, that Trump has surrounded himself with more unfettered capitalist billionaires who played a role in the loss of American jobs. I can't, for the life of me, understand what made those same Americans elect him.
 

siti

Well-Known Member
I'm going to put it in the same terms as I answered the communism is wrong thread...

Capitalism is right because humans are very bad at sharing stuff.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yes but that doesn't actually help the working people in those countries as much might hope. They become tools of developing the first world economies.

Yes but it's better than driving their economies into the ground!

[QUOT"Sartre"}Capitalism has only lead to surplus extraction from the third world.

"They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?" -Fidel Castro Ruz[/QUOTE]

Yes that is what I put in the "Capitalism is wrong thread."

Going to bed post all you want at these threads.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Capitalist ideals are very different from capitalist practice in that regard. Ideally, all are free to pursue prosperity. But if you believe that is how things work in actual practice, then you are quite naive. In practice, capitalism can actually hinder people from pursuing prosperity. For instance, it can be in the interests of powerful capitalists to keep wages low and workers impoverished in order to maximize profits.
I understand that.....I happen to be a working stiff

who has on repeated occasion told the boss......
Take this job and shove it!
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Global capitalism requires a labour bank of the unemployed and a superexploited strata of proletarians in the third world.
To many, this "freedom" is really just the freedom to be exploited.
if you are hinting to a balance of acquisition and the well being of the people.....ok

I would not approve of ANY system that runs over people and resources that a hand full of 'owners' get rich

capitalism without some regard to one's fellow man is not capitalism
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
People have incentive to work.

They can get an education, religious service, and job however and wherever they want.

Religious & economic freedom seem to work best yes.

Though I think calling either any kind of 'ism' is a bit of a misnomer. It's just what you get when you allow people to worship and prosper freely.

In both cases, the problems arise where politicians get involved, who by definition are not good at anything other than being politicians!
 
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