Capitol building overrun by protesters

[Father Heathen]

It only matters if (R)’s do that. Looting, violence, property destruction, political prosecution are acceptable on the left.

I don't condone violence*, theft, or vandalism.

*except in self-defense or in defense of others.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It's funny how you seem bothered by American citizens criticizing the government.

Naw. Just reflecting on the past leftest love for protest zones for others, but never for themselves.

Just some nostalgia from bygone days.

 

[F1fan]

No, no one was attempting to overthrow the government or prevent the peaceful transfer of power. This was basically a sit-in, occupy protest. Here's a different account than Faux News...

Hundreds protest at Tennessee Capitol for tighter gun controls after Nashville shooting

Children held signs reading "I'm nine" — a reference to the age of the three kids who died in Monday's attack.

www.cbsnews.com

"Hundreds of school children, teens and parents gathered at the Tennessee Capitol on Thursday to protest for tighter gun controls laws three days after a shooter opened fire at The Covenant School, killing three children and three adults.

At the Capitol, protestors lined the hallways and chanted at the state's Republican-dominated Legislature as they filed in to begin taking up bills for the first time since the shooting.

Chants of "Save our children!" echoed noisily in the hallways between the state Senate and House chambers, with protesters setting up shop inside and outside the Capitol. Some silently filled the Senate chamber's gallery, including children who held signs reading "I'm nine" — a reference to the age of the three kids who died in Monday's attack. Most protesters were removed from the gallery after some began yelling down at the lawmakers, "Children are dead!"

Meanwhile, in the House, two Democratic lawmakers caused a temporary shutdown when they began yelling, "Power to the people" through a megaphone. "

I figured @Shaul's link was bogus right wing disinformation, as usual.

 

[Father Heathen]

Naw. Just reflecting on the past leftest love for protest zones for others, but never for themselves.

Just some nostalgia from bygone days.

The only "Free speech zones" I recall were those used against those protesting the Iraqi war.

 

[crossfire]

Local source: The Tennessean

'They're begging us to do something': Nashville lawmaker calls for gun reform as hundreds protest after Covenant shooting

People clogged Capitol hallways and filled chamber galleries as they called for "common sense" gun reform in the wake of the Covenant shooting.

www.tennessean.com

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Emotions ran high in the crowd inside the Capitol, where protestors filed through security checkpoints before floor sessions Thursday morning. Though there was a brief moment where Tennessee Highway Patrol pulled a protestor out of the crowd as a lawmaker attempted to return to House chamber, there were no other altercations with security and protestors remained in areas open to the public.​

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"It was a loud demonstration but resolved peacefully," Tennessee Highway Patrol spokesperson Lt. Bill Miller said Friday. "It was resolved with no arrests and no damaged property."​

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It seems the protesters went through security checkpoints, not breaking in.

Media bias fact check website rates The Tennessean as Least Biased.

The Tennessean - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or

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Bias Rating: LEAST BIASED
Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY
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[Twilight Hue]

The only "Free speech zones" I recall were those used against those protesting the Iraqi war.

That's because you don't pay attention.

First Amendment Violations to Watch for at the RNC and DNC | ACLU

www.aclu.org

But fear not. It's a bipartisan endeavor.

 

[Revoltingest]

The US is seriously close to collapsing under the weight of its domestic issues. The rot and corruption of its system are being laid bare for the world to see.

Channeling Chicken Little?
I'm more optimistic.

 

[Father Heathen]

Local source: The Tennessean

'They're begging us to do something': Nashville lawmaker calls for gun reform as hundreds protest after Covenant shooting

People clogged Capitol hallways and filled chamber galleries as they called for "common sense" gun reform in the wake of the Covenant shooting.

www.tennessean.com

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Emotions ran high in the crowd inside the Capitol, where protestors filed through security checkpoints before floor sessions Thursday morning. Though there was a brief moment where Tennessee Highway Patrol pulled a protestor out of the crowd as a lawmaker attempted to return to House chamber, there were no other altercations with security and protestors remained in areas open to the public.​

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"It was a loud demonstration but resolved peacefully," Tennessee Highway Patrol spokesperson Lt. Bill Miller said Friday. "It was resolved with no arrests and no damaged property."​

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It seems the protesters went through security checkpoints, not breaking in.

Media bias fact check website rates The Tennessean as Least Biased.

The Tennessean - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or

mediabiasfactcheck.com

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Bias Rating: LEAST BIASED​

Factual Reporting: HIGH​

Country: USA​

Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE​

Media Type: Newspaper​

Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic​

MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY​

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@Shaul So what happened here?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Channeling Chicken Little?
I'm more optimistic.

I try to base my expectations on current observations and evidence. At the moment, I see little reason for optimism in terms of the domestic issues of the US.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are suggesting Wikipedia is a more credible source than Fox News. Based on those standards of yours I think we can dismiss your complaint. Your biased opinion of Fox doesn't change the fact that they published particulars of this story that your so-called "credible" source didn't. Your irrational fear and hatred of Fox News doesn't mean they aren't credible.

Wikipedia is far more reliable than FOX. The fact that anyone can edit an article, but, and this is the important part, has to be able to justify an edit, keeps it honest. I had a debate with a person like you on another forum. He made the same sorts of complaints. He was also able to edit on Wikipedia. I challenged him to show that Wikipedia was not reliable by editing an article. He took me up on it. He edited an article, but ended up confirming my claim. He made a valid edit of an article where he added factual information. I asked him why he didn't put something false in there since we were talking about reliability. He stated that he did not want too lose his privilege to edit and it was not worth the risk. That had been my argument all along.


If someone puts a false claim into a political article it will be edited out rather quickly and the person that made the false change could lose his right to edit.

 

[Revoltingest]

I try to base my expectations on current observations and evidence. At the moment, I see little reason for optimism in terms of the domestic issues of the US.

Observations & evidence filtered thru inflammatory
news media skew one's Weltanschauung towards woe.
You're too pessimistic...or optimistic, depending your wants.

Living here, I see things being so much better.
Our legal system works no worse than before.
Our economy is humming along (doesn't know the words).
Trump's prosecution portends presidential impunity waning.
The new John Wick & Avatar movies await my viewing.
The cold wars are risky, but this is so for all of us.

 

[Subduction Zone]

@Shaul So what happened here?

Observations & evidence filtered thru inflammatory
news media skew one's Weltanschauung towards woe.
You're too pessimistic...or optimistic, depending your wants.

Living here, I see things being so much better.
Our legal system works no worse than before.
Our economy is humming along (doesn't know the words).
Trump's prosecution portends presidential impunity waning.
The new John Wick & Avatar movies await my viewing.
The cold wars are risky, but this is so for all of us.

I would not risk a nuclear war over this, but last night I watched a video where the scientist that made it, and yes he is actively working as a scientist, doing research , writing peer reviewed papers, along with his YouTube activities, where he gave some fairly sound reasons that Russia may not have any functioning nukes. And it all had to do with a recent 60 Minutes episode where they covered a US plant that was nominally working on fusion. The nuclear isotopes that fuse are rather stable. But the modern designs often rely on a neutron source and the radioisotopes that produce those tend to be rather short lived and must be replaced regularly. The war in Ukraine indicates that the training of the Soviet Army has not been quite up to snuff with fund drawn off. One could do the same with funds for nuclear weapons and if no one ever uses them then the odds of being caught are rather small. Maintenance on each weapon is in the millions of dollars a year. Would I risk a nuclear war based on this? Not a chance. But it is nice to know that post Soviet corruption may have made the world a safer place to live in.

 

[Jose Fly]

No you don't know their intent. Please provide a list of the names of all the "peaceful protesters" so we can verify their intentions. You must know their names if you know their intentions.

Yes I do, they were extremely up front about why they were there (to protest the legislature's inaction on guns). Why you think knowing their names is required to know their intent is a mystery.

 

[Jose Fly]

Yes, yes, everything that doesn't gel with the backwater bumpkin narrative must be some vast, convoluted conspiracy. It couldn't possibly be due to citizens growing sick and tired of a trash ideology and it's constant failings.

Seems to be his MO....whenever the facts don't line up with his beliefs, he accuses people of lying even though he has zero evidence to back it up. It's likely just an intellectually lazy coping mechanism.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yes I do, they were extremely up front about why they were there (to protest the legislature's inaction on guns). Why you think knowing their names is required to know their intent is a mystery.

It's funny how it has to be some nefarious and convoluted conspiracy theory rather than justified anger over the inaction and incompetence that has lead to the death of school children. Apparently conservatives live in a cartoon world where they're the heroes who can do no wrong and everyone else are the villains who can do no right.

 

[Jose Fly]

It's funny how it has to be come nefarious and convoluted conspiracy theory rather than justified anger over the inaction and incompetence that has lead to the death of school children. Apparently conservatives live in a cartoon world where they're the heroes who can do no wrong and everyone else are the villains who can do no right.

Oh there's no doubt....conservatives live in a completely different reality than the rest of us. Even this protest is a good example, where in right-wing world the protesters were bused in from other states and fought with police. Is there any evidence of those things? Of course not, but that doesn't matter in conservative alternate reality.

Meanwhile, for everyone else it was an occupy/sit-in type protest, mostly comprised of kids, where about the worst thing that happened was a couple of lawmakers chanting over megaphones.

 

[metis]

An angry mob estimated to be over 1,000 people overran a Capitol building. The mob took over the lobby of the building and caused a disruption of the legislative session. They attempted to enter the legislative chambers and fought with the police trying to keep them out. Three legislators supported the mob.

Three Democrat state lawmakers join protesters invading Tennessee state capitol

Just a note to tell others that this was from Fox.

 

[metis]

Looking at the videos, I don't see anyone fighting with police. I see protestors arguing with police, but no fighting. The Democratic reps shouted "power to the people" over a megaphone.

Shrug.

Yep, and do you really expect anything different from the likes of Fox?

 

[metis]

It's funny how it has to be some nefarious and convoluted conspiracy theory rather than justified anger over the inaction and incompetence that has lead to the death of school children. Apparently conservatives live in a cartoon world where they're the heroes who can do no wrong and everyone else are the villains who can do no right.

Yep, and as we have repeatedly seen, the Pubs are more in love with their guns than with America's children. Also, the wording of the OP appears to be bogus, but that doesn't come as any surprise to me at least. You?

 

[metis]

You are suggesting Wikipedia is a more credible source than Fox News.

Without doubt with anyone who is actually a serious educator. Fox is a propaganda channel, but it's no surprise that you would use that as supposedly being an unbiased source.