Altfish
Veteran Member
Acceptance; many people crave it.
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Catholic church cannot bless same-sex unions
- Thread starter Altfish
- Start date
Many did not seem to care about "acceptance" when they were told they were committing a sin, seems people want to have their cake and eat it too. If you ignore the fact that it was a sin in the past then, just stop being hypocritical now. Who cares what the catholic church says? Most people will do what they want anyway
Altfish
Veteran Member
Like I said at the beginning, the Catholic Church is not in this century.
Homosexuality is not a sin in the modern era.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Then toss the Bible out the window. Because it does associate sexual immoralities, impurities, and abominations to gay people for being gay.
And I don't do that Christian thing of "well, they can be celibate and not have sex and all those other inhumane expectations." Humans are sexual beings. Gay people are gay, they are homosexuals, and the Bible says to kill them.
Then how do I know I have gay friends?
Because that is homosexual sex, and the bulk majority of men who have sex with men are homosexuals.
The Bible clearly says men who have sex with other men are to be killed. That's not a problem of interpretation. It's a problem with looking upon the Bible and calling it Holy, because it is a problem with the Bible. It does say kill homosexuals. It does say kill bisexuals. It says to kill those who act on curiosities. And to make matters worse, Jesus comes along and says you are guilty in your heart just having thoughts about it.
This is very much a problem with what the Bible says.
Christians interpreting it 50 million different ways and forming a myriad denominations is also a problem with the Bible. They can't be faulted for this because the Bible is filled with so many contradictions and inconsistencies that these innumerable schisms are easily and readily made available.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It has never been a sin. Sin is nothing more than an artificial concept to bring forth artificial guilt and judgements. Outside of the believer's head, there is no such thing as sin.
WhoIsBeast 750
Member
it is nice how to insult a religion that condemns something
and especially how to twist everything to suit your narration omit or add verses
In general, this is an affliction in God's eyes, isn't it?
I'll tell you the secrets in the unsealed book talk about priests and children as well as homosexuality
for he knew in advance what would happen
happy and merry day to all who will be cooked in hell
and especially how to twist everything to suit your narration omit or add verses
In general, this is an affliction in God's eyes, isn't it?
I'll tell you the secrets in the unsealed book talk about priests and children as well as homosexuality
for he knew in advance what would happen
happy and merry day to all who will be cooked in hell
depends on who you ask at this point i guess
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
My whole point is the bible talks about any person involved in sexual promisquity.
We don't know if they are gay, straight, or bi (and you mentioned it doesn't matter)
Therefore, it is much more appropriate to say "any person" who commits same-sex sex is committing a sin. Specifying gay people is highly insulting (the association gay=same-sex sex=sinner). Christians do it all the time. Many gay people don't associate ourselves to sex. The bible is false and I would hope people would correct the error not confirm it.
It doesn't say "gay people." It does not mention who is gay and who is not.
My question: do you believe sexual orientation (such as being gay) is someone who has sex with the same gender?
If so, I get your point; I disagree.
If not, I totally don't know how you're missing what I'm saying.
You don't unless they tell you.
Its an assumption. A generalization. This is something LGBTQ people have been fighting for is assumptions: whether it's their sexual orientation, gender identity (using it as a point), or whatever. The stereotypes by associating sex=sexual orientation needs to end. LGBTQ advocates have been trying to fight this stereotype for ages.
The bible says what it wants but its not referring to sexual orientation (thereby not gay people). It's referring to any person (this is relevant) who has same-sex sex (having sex is a choice and it doesn't depend on one's sexual orientation to make that choice).
But if you can answer my question, I can see why you're associating gay people to same-sex sex.
No. It says he will kill anyone committing sexual promiscuity (rape, lust, whatever). It has nothing to do with homosexuality (sexual orientation). It has to do with action (love the sinner; hate the sin). Sin is an action.
But in my opinion, it sounds like you agree with them that men who have same-sex sex are gay thereby they are said to be killed in the bible.
Personally, I find the association ridiculous and misguided (the statement), but christians believe it.... the problem is they are hurting people because of it not just a difference of opinion. (Generalizing christians based on their theology so I don't have to keep saying "some/many/few.")
We don't know if they are gay, straight, or bi (and you mentioned it doesn't matter)
Therefore, it is much more appropriate to say "any person" who commits same-sex sex is committing a sin. Specifying gay people is highly insulting (the association gay=same-sex sex=sinner). Christians do it all the time. Many gay people don't associate ourselves to sex. The bible is false and I would hope people would correct the error not confirm it.
It doesn't say "gay people." It does not mention who is gay and who is not.
My question: do you believe sexual orientation (such as being gay) is someone who has sex with the same gender?
If so, I get your point; I disagree.
If not, I totally don't know how you're missing what I'm saying.
You don't unless they tell you.
Its an assumption. A generalization. This is something LGBTQ people have been fighting for is assumptions: whether it's their sexual orientation, gender identity (using it as a point), or whatever. The stereotypes by associating sex=sexual orientation needs to end. LGBTQ advocates have been trying to fight this stereotype for ages.
The bible says what it wants but its not referring to sexual orientation (thereby not gay people). It's referring to any person (this is relevant) who has same-sex sex (having sex is a choice and it doesn't depend on one's sexual orientation to make that choice).
But if you can answer my question, I can see why you're associating gay people to same-sex sex.
No. It says he will kill anyone committing sexual promiscuity (rape, lust, whatever). It has nothing to do with homosexuality (sexual orientation). It has to do with action (love the sinner; hate the sin). Sin is an action.
But in my opinion, it sounds like you agree with them that men who have same-sex sex are gay thereby they are said to be killed in the bible.
Personally, I find the association ridiculous and misguided (the statement), but christians believe it.... the problem is they are hurting people because of it not just a difference of opinion. (Generalizing christians based on their theology so I don't have to keep saying "some/many/few.")
Last edited:
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
The bible says kill people (gay/straight/bi) who have same-sex sex not kill people who are attracted to the same gender.
Another thing I thought of. If you're correct, that would mean people are not gay until they have same-sex sex.
What kind of society do you want to live in, where the only topic of moral conversation is the doings in the bedroom, and what are we going to do about it?
Or should we be emphasizing decency, honesty, respect, inclusion, generosity?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If I say the sky is clear and sunny, I'm not explicitly saying the sky is blue but I am implicitly saying it.
If a man lies with a man they are both to be executed. It doesn't explicitly say homosexuals or gays, but it is accurate to say the Bible says to kill gays because homosexual gay males have sex with other males. Not all males who have sex with males are gay, but all gay people have sex with men. Men finding other men attractive is what makes them gay. And the Bible says to kill them because they have sex with other men.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Correct, we noted.
Altfish
Veteran Member
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Just remember, this is the Me Generation.
I don't see too much decency, honesty, respect, inclusion or generosity.
Take a look at some comedies, say, from the 1950's to early 1960's.
Compare that to comedies from say 1990-2020 period.
My profile below isn't my opinion - it's statistics.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
When some said no-fault divorce would lead to an epidemic of broken homes
many said such claims were exaggerations and sky-falling hysteria. Today half
of all Western kids come from broken homes. So who was right and how did the
mockers handle the facts? They simply redefined marriage.
And they have re-defined what 'substance abuse' means. And 'living in sin'.
And gambling (sorry, gaming now...) And pornography, etc..
The turning point was the 1960's. Now you can dump your parents in a nursing
home and never see them again - it's not an issue. But hug a tree and you are
a virtuous person.
"Sin" is now whatever people believed in 1900. Virtue is whatever is fashionable
in 2020.
Have you looked? The great majority of those people whose copulations displease you are decent, honest, respectful, inclusive and generous.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
This isn't about 'copulation' - the '60's 'free love' wasn't about free love but
promiscuity, infidelity, drugs, contempt of authority, attitude towards country,
giving the finger to small America and religious values. We are living with it
today through broken homes, drugs, flight of jobs, welfare trap, debt and
crime.
The Catholic Church is the official state religion in - if my count is right - 22 countries. It has an inordinate influence on the laws of many others. That's one reason why.
Also, most of these people have been taught since birth things like:
- the fate of their immortal soul depends on staying in the Catholic Church
- the Eucharist (and only the Catholic Church has the "real" Eucharist) is as vital to your "spiritual life" as food is to your physical life.
... so I'm not surprised at all that many people choose not to leave.
Edit: what injustices would you endure if you thought the alternative was starvation?
Altfish
Veteran Member
What is better. A broken home or a non-functioning home with one or both spouses feeling trapped.
I know people from 'broken homes' they are happier than when the stayed in a non-loving marriage. Many now have new partners, divorce can be win-win
Of the ten matters you provide stats about, seven are about sex.
So to clear the matter up, what distinction do you draw between "free love" which this, you say, is not about, and "promiscuity, infidelity" which you say it is about.
Of course it's not my part to give you advice, but if it were, I'd advise you to stop listening to right-wing media. Encouraging exaggerated fear is a manipulative technique that Rupert Murdoch has used to line his pocket while wreaking destruction on the free world's politics. Note the word "exaggerate". I do not say such problems don't exist. I say they're perniciously exaggerated.