Cause of antisemitism

[roger1440]

It doesn't matter if the idea existed or didn't. The fact is that Jews were and are a foreign people.

In Western Europe blacks and Asians would appear more foreign then the average Jew. Western Europe is predominately white.

 

[Flankerl]

I can't believe something just because someone says so.

Good for you. Nice talk then.

What does Christianity have to do with this?

Okay you apparently can't really read. That is sad.

It doesn't matter if the idea existed or didn't. The fact is that Jews were and are a foreign people.

I am terribly sorry for existing.

Yes, you were and are. You're being quite rude and hostile.

No I am still not. You should read the threads where I engage our RF Jihadis and Iran fanboys.

And yet there are Jews on there who are very into their Jewishness and act in accordingly (the way I mentioned before).
Well, I'd assume someone who was fluent in English would understand the nuances of language and how some people can use foreign words to describe a group of people disparagingly. Take the Japanese word 'gaijin', for example. It just means 'foreigner' but it can also be used as an insult for foreign people.

I am quite into my "Jewishness". Which is probably why I know what goy/goyim means. I can also call you Gentile if you want to.

What does Christianity have to do with this?

Well either you have a problem with understanding text or can't understand English. Both would be sad.

It most definitely wasn't the reality for everyone. That would be a gross overstatement and just pure intellectual dishonesty.

It was a reality for Jews. I know just some dirty foreigners who shouldn't live with Christians so it doesn't really matter I guess.

 

[Jumi]

Almost everyone here is a foreigner to me. Does it matter? Not one bit.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

Nobody has a monopoly on being a victim, nor on being an aggressor.

The problem with the endless commemorations of Nazi crimes is that Zionists can use it as an excuse: "We must have a Jewish state or it will happen again." Look at the Wikipedia page on the Final Solution: it deals with the Jews. Where are the Gypsies? In a link at the bottom. The Jewish survivors of the concentration camps got 450 million marks. The Gypsies got nothing. Of course, it does help to own a few newspapers.

When Jews have had the power to do it, then have behaved as badly and intolerantly as anyone else. Thus:
1. The historical books of the scriptures are full of tales of massacres: even if Joshua, for example, is myth rather than history, it still shows what people thought should have happened.
2. John Hyrcanus destroyed the Samaritans' temple and forcibly converted the Edomites.
3. The three Jewish revolts against the Romans were marked by numerous atrocities.
4. The twentieth century has seen atrocities committed against Palestinians.

 

[Flankerl]

Oh goody.

 

[roger1440]

Nobody has a monopoly on being a victim, nor on being an aggressor.

The problem with the endless commemorations of Nazi crimes is that Zionists can use it as an excuse: "We must have a Jewish state or it will happen again." Look at the Wikipedia page on the Final Solution: it deals with the Jews. Where are the Gypsies? In a link at the bottom. The Jewish survivors of the concentration camps got 450 million marks. The Gypsies got nothing. Of course, it does help to own a few newspapers.

When Jews have had the power to do it, then have behaved as badly and intolerantly as anyone else. Thus:
1. The historical books of the scriptures are full of tales of massacres: even if Joshua, for example, is myth rather than history, it still shows what people thought should have happened.
2. John Hyrcanus destroyed the Samaritans' temple and forcibly converted the Edomites.
3. The three Jewish revolts against the Romans were marked by numerous atrocities.
4. The twentieth century has seen atrocities committed against Palestinians.

Why do you think there is more sympathy for the Jews and not Gypsies?

 

[LuisDantas]

I guess I don't understand how you use the word "foreign" here. I live in the US. Am I a foreigner? Was my great-grandfather a foreigner when he headed a community in Hungary? Is one a foreigner by virtue of religion? Isn't most everyone, ultimately, a foreigner?

Pretty good questions. Until the time comes when people sprout from the soil itself, people are essentially foreigners to each other out of political decision alone.

 

[Maponos]

Okay you apparently can't really read. That is sad.

If you can't be bothered with explaining this, then there isn't much for you to say on it.

I am terribly sorry for existing.

What does this have to do with the current conversation?

No I am still not. You should read the threads where I engage our RF Jihadis and Iran fanboys.

I think this is a case of 'you can't see the forest for the trees'...

I am quite into my "Jewishness". Which is probably why I know what goy/goyim means. I can also call you Gentile if you want to.

Are you going to gloss over my anecdote about the word 'gaijin'?

Well either you have a problem with understanding text or can't understand English. Both would be sad.

Why can't you be bothered to explain a simple question?

It was a reality for Jews. I know just some dirty foreigners who shouldn't live with Christians so it doesn't really matter I guess.

I'm afraid I'll remain in doubt on that. I still don't know why you're bringing Christians into this.

 

[Maponos]

Goy/Goyim is one word. Not a lot. And it means "nation". As in "and you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (goy)"

How derogatory.

I inserted an anecdote on the use of the word 'gaijin', the Japanese word for 'foreigner', that I think you should read.

 

[LuisDantas]

And yet there are Jews on there who are very into their Jewishness and act in accordingly (the way I mentioned before).
Well, I'd assume someone who was fluent in English would understand the nuances of language and how some people can use foreign words to describe a group of people disparagingly. Take the Japanese word 'gaijin', for example. It just means 'foreigner' but it can also be used as an insult for foreign people.

It is a well-documented fact that people most everywhere tend to be biased towards their own and against "foreigners", and their languages nearly always reflect that, to the point that words for "national" or "member of the tribe" often double as also meaning "human beings".

Not sure what you want to imply here. Perhaps that members of the Jewish People don't always think of others in flattering, respectful ways?

It would be very surprising if that were not the case. Everyone is like that, you know. "Goy" is simply not a particularly disrespectful or ethnocentric one, if it is such a word at all. Do you find it more offensive than, say, "Chicano"?

 

[Maponos]

It is a well-documented fact that people most everywhere tend to be biased towards their own and against "foreigners", and their languages nearly always reflect that, to the point that words for "national" or "member of the tribe" often double as also meaning "human beings".

Not sure what you want to imply here. Perhaps that members of the Jewish People don't always think of others in flattering, respectful ways?

It would be very surprising if that were not the case. Everyone is like that, you know. "Goy" is simply not a particularly disrespectful or ethnocentric one, if it is such a word at all. Do you find it more offensive than, say, "Chicano"?

What I have been saying is that they use the term in a derogatory fashion like many other words describing a foreign person to towards non Jews.

 

[rosends]

What I have been saying is that they use the term in a derogatory fashion like many other words describing a foreign person to towards non Jews.

Someone who wants to speak in a derogatory manner could use the word "human" and have it be an insult. Simply using the word does not confer on it a particularly insulting status. Your initial statement was "I've met Jews who are actually quite arrogant...use a lot of derogatory or disparaging words for non-Jews (Goyim/Goy, if I'm correct)." The term needs not be considered derogatory or disparaging, and the use of it shouldn't then be used as proof to the attitude of the person using it.

Can it be used insultingly? Sure (both intentionally and unintentionally). Can it be used complimentarily? Sure. Are people who use it in a particular way (that you might infer or they might make explicit) doing so as extensions of their religious identity? Nope.

 

[Sunstone]

I've met Jews who are actually quite arrogant (there are a lot of them on Tumblr, for instances) and use a lot of derogatory or disparaging words for non-Jews (Goyim/Goy, if I'm correct).

Golly! A group of humans, some of whom are quite arrogant and use insider words to describe outsiders to their group! Naw, it can't be true! People the world over are just not like that!

 

[Sunstone]

I don't think it was a majority view back then, but they made much use of the existing potential.

I don't know if antisemitism was a majority view in Germany during Hitler's rise, but I have heard that it was socially acceptable among non-Jewish Germans to be antisemitic. That is, even the "respectable" people accepted it as permissible.

 

[Sunstone]

But what did the Jews do so bad that six million were killed and the entire race supposedly alliminated?

One of the lessons of the Holocaust is that a minority group doesn't actually need to do much of anything bad to become a scapegoat and persecuted or destroyed. What did the Tutsi in Rwanda do that was so wrong? What did the Bosnian Muslims do that was so bad? If you think about it, the reality that you don't need to do anything wrong to be persecuted is far more significant -- and frightening -- than the notion you must have done something wrong to deserve such a fate.

 

[roger1440]

I don't know if antisemitism was a majority view in Germany during Hitler's rise, but I have heard that it was socially acceptable among non-Jewish Germans to be antisemitic. That is, even the "respectable" people accepted it as permissible.

Maybe being branded as "Christ Killers" may have a little to do with it.

 

[Flankerl]

Maybe being branded as "Christ Killers" may have a little to do with it.

Imagine you are a 7 year old Jewish kid in a small village in Austria during the 90s
On major Christian Holidays you are obliged to visit Christian Services, the religious beliefs of non-Christians are of no consideration
Now you sit there as the only Jewish kid in a Church on Good Friday

"The Jews" "The Jews" "The Jews"


Was beautiful.

 

[Maponos]

Golly! A group of humans, some of whom are quite arrogant and use insider words to describe outsiders to their group! Naw, it can't be true! People the world over are just not like that!

In a thread that is about antisemitism, it's worth mentioning.

 

[Flankerl]

In a thread that is about antisemitism, it's worth mentioning.

But whenever Christianity and Christians are involved its not worth mentioning.

 

[Maponos]

But whenever Christianity and Christians are involved its not worth mentioning.

I'm not a Christian, so I don't often talk about issues that affect Christians.