Cause of antisemitism

[roger1440]

Imagine you are a 7 year old Jewish kid in a small village in Austria during the 90s
On major Christian Holidays you are obliged to visit Christian Services, the religious beliefs of non-Christians are of no consideration
Now you sit there as the only Jewish kid in a Church on Good Friday

"The Jews" "The Jews" "The Jews"


Was beautiful.

Who is this kid, you?

 

[Flankerl]

Who is this kid, you?

Well was. I am big now!

 

[roger1440]

Here is an interesting video from a rabbi connected with the Jews for Judaism organization. He probably knows the New Testament more then most Christians.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

Why do you think there is more sympathy for the Jews and not Gypsies?

Probably because most of us have lived next door to or worked alongside a Jew and liked them, while in Britain we associate Gypsies with people making a mess of the countryside in illegal camp sites. If I lived in Spain, where the Gypsies are settled alongside the rest of the population, I'd be more likely to associate them with flamenco. Also, as I said, it helps to own a few newspapers or broadcasting stations. The Gypsies got no compensation after the war because there was no-one rallying public opinion for them.

 

[Quagmire]

They're not a native people to the land. They originally came from the Near East.

By the standards you're setting, nobody is native to whatever land they're inhabiting.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

What's the cause of antisemitism and particularly the holocaust?

Fear, insecurity, ignorance, and hatred. Minority groups, particularly very small minorities, often take the brunt of societal anxiety, fear, and frustration - particularly in the case of Jews, who tend to thrive in whatever environment they end up in.

 

[Wirey]

What's the cause of antisemitism and particularly the holocaust?

Abraham Lincoln's hat.

 

[Maponos]

By the standards you're setting, nobody is native to whatever land they're inhabiting.

By the time the Jews migrated to Europe from the Near East, there were already people living in Europe with developed civilizations and had been there long before the Jews came.

 

[rosends]

By the time the Jews migrated to Europe from the Near East, there were already people living in Europe with developed civilizations and had been there long before the Jews came.

The native Americans might have a similar statement about European migration into the "New World." Does that make all us palefaces, "foreigners."

 

[Maponos]

The native Americans might have a similar statement about European migration into the "New World." Does that make all us palefaces, "foreigners."

In a sense, it does, yes. If we're talking about the country, the United States of America, then no, because it was created by those colonists. But we indeed are foreigners to this landmass and to the native people of it.

 

[Akivah]

What's the cause of antisemitism and particularly the holocaust?

There has been much study of this question. Everything that has been posted here so far are just excuses and they go both ways. For example, the Jews holding themselves apart is the reason. However, the Jews mostly assimilated into German culture in the 1890's and became good Germans. But that didn't matter a few decades later.

Aish.com has a good 5 part series of essays on the topic called "Why the Jews?" http://www.aish.com/sem/wtj/
You can skip their reasoning and go straight to the 5th link "A true understanding" to read their conclusion.

 

[rosends]

In a sense, it does, yes. If we're talking about the country, the United States of America, then no, because it was created by those colonists. But we indeed are foreigners to this landmass and to the native people of it.

But then all the immigrants who came to the landmass after the colonies were established (well before 1776) are all still foreigners.

 

[roger1440]

By the time the Jews migrated to Europe from the Near East, there were already people living in Europe with developed civilizations and had been there long before the Jews came.

In what way were the Jews "different" then the natives?

 

[Quagmire]

By the time the Jews migrated to Europe from the Near East, there were already people living in Europe with developed civilizations and had been there long before the Jews came.

That's not true at all. There had been Jews in Europe since well before the time of the Roman Empire:

As early as the middle of the 2nd century BCE the Jewish author of the third book of the Oracula Sibyllina addressed the "chosen people," saying: "Every land is full of thee and every sea." The most diverse witnesses, such as Strabo, Philo, Seneca, Luke (the author of the Acts of the Apostles), Cicero, and Josephus, all mention Jewish populations in the cities of the Mediterranean basin.

The first recorded expulsion of Jews from Rome happened in 139 BCE, which suggests they must have been a large and influential presence in pre-Emperical Rome.

There's solid evidence of a Jewish presence in the Iberian Peninsula from about the same time, and some evidence suggesting they may have been there for centuries prior to that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain#Early_history_.28before_300.29 Considering how many times Iberia (Spain) changed hands from that time on, and if you're going to use time and continuity of presence to determine who is and isn't a "native", one could make a strong case that the Jewish people have more right to the title than anyone.

The arrival of Jews in the lands that would become Germany predates that of Christianity. For that matter, they were there before the arrival and settlement of at least some of the tribes that modern Germans are descended from. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/germany.html

There's more, but I want to wait and see if you actually pay attention to any of this before I bother typing out the rest. In the meantime:

By the time the Jews migrated to Europe from the Near East, there were already people living in Europe with developed civilizations and had been there long before the Jews came.

Name one.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Maybe people who don't like Jews are jealous. God chose the Jews to be His special people. Anytime someone is special or stands out from others, the others get jealous.Look at a bunch of kids. If one gets a piece of candy the others get jealous because they don.t have any candy. People get jealous of the Jews and begin to turn against them and hate them.

 

[Maponos]

That's not true at all. There had been Jews in Europe since well before the time of the Roman Empire:

The first recorded expulsion of Jews from Rome happened in 139 BCE, which suggests they must have been a large and influential presence in pre-Emperical Rome.

There's solid evidence of a Jewish presence in the Iberian Peninsula from about the same time, and some evidence suggesting they may have been there for centuries prior to that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain#Early_history_.28before_300.29 Considering how many times Iberia (Spain) changed hands from that time on, and if you're going to use time and continuity of presence to determine who is and isn't a "native", one could make a strong case that the Jewish people have more right to the title than anyone.

The arrival of Jews in the lands that would become Germany predates that of Christianity. For that matter, they were there before the arrival and settlement of at least some of the tribes that modern Germans are descended from. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/germany.html

There's more, but I want to wait and see if you actually pay attention to any of this before I bother typing out the rest. In the meantime:



Name one.

This has nothing to do with Christianity, so I don't know why you went to do all that research.

Civilizations would include the Romans, the Etruscans, the Greeks and the ancient Celts, to name a few.

 

[roger1440]

This has nothing to do with Christianity, so I don't know why you went to do all that research.

Civilizations would include the Romans, the Etruscans, the Greeks and the ancient Celts, to name a few.

What would you propose is the answer to the "Jewish Question"?

 

[Maponos]

What would you propose is the answer to the "Jewish Question"?

What 'Jewish Question'?

 

[Quagmire]

This has nothing to do with Christianity,

Of course it does.

so I don't know why you went to do all that research.

Apparently you didn't bother looking at any of it or you would know.

Civilizations would include the Romans, the Etruscans, the Greeks and the ancient Celts, to name a few.

Romans? Etruscans? Now your contradicting yourself: if the Jews were already in ancient Italy at the time of the Etruscans, it would follow that their presence there predated the existence of Rome in any of it's forms.

As far as the Greeks and ancient Celts, show me any recorded instances of antisemitism stemming from those cultures. Remember what the topic of this thread is supposed to be.

 

[Quagmire]

Nobody has a monopoly on being a victim, nor on being an aggressor.

The problem with the endless commemorations of Nazi crimes is that Zionists can use it as an excuse: "We must have a Jewish state or it will happen again." Look at the Wikipedia page on the Final Solution: it deals with the Jews. Where are the Gypsies? In a link at the bottom.

That's because the Final Solution was code for the Nazis plan for the extermination of Jews specifically. From the same article you mention above:

The term "Final Solution" was a euphemism used by the Nazis to refer to their plan for the annihilation of the Jewish people.

Their overall policies for the elimination of what they termed other "undesirable elements" or "enemies of the Reich" were something else.

The Jewish survivors of the concentration camps got 450 million marks.

No, actually. Israel as a nation received the bulk of the reparations money and materials. Several countries enacted policies of individual reparations payments for demonstrably needy Holocaust survivors (average payment being somewhere around $3,200) based on the fact fact that these same countries had benefited enormously from the looting and pillaging of personal Jewish property during the reign of the third reich.

Same can't be said for the Gypsies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany

The Gypsies got nothing. Of course, it does help to own a few newspapers.

No, it helps to stand up for yourself. The nation of Israel along with several Jewish organizations demanded the reparations. Nobody handed them anything.