CBC: Shariah... Nothing to Fear

[icehorse]

Thank you CBC, I feel so much better hearing that I have nothing to fear from Sharia... are you kidding me???

Shariah and rules that govern religious practices in other faiths are not to be feared, spiritual leaders say

 

[Lyndon]

You'd have to be some kind of Islamophobe to not find that reasonable, common among Islamophobes is a complete and utter ignorance of just what sharia law is.

 

[Sunstone]

Thank you CBC, I feel so much better hearing that I have nothing to fear from Sharia... are you kidding me???

Shariah and rules that govern religious practices in other faiths are not to be feared, spiritual leaders say

Actually, the article didn't seem to me to be making a case of the adoption of Sharia law outside of Muslim communities. How is that any different from, say, Roman Catholic Church laws governing divorce applying only to Roman Catholics?

 

[Sunstone]

You'd have to be some kind of Islamophobe to not find that reasonable, common among Islamophobes is a complete and utter ignorance of just what sharia law is.

[yawn] Oh yes, Lyndon. We're all Islamophobes whenever we disagree with you. We know. [/yawn]

 

[Nakosis]

Thank you CBC, I feel so much better hearing that I have nothing to fear from Sharia... are you kidding me???

Shariah and rules that govern religious practices in other faiths are not to be feared, spiritual leaders say

How is Islamophobia being defined?

Is it like condemning criticizing Christianity. I mean could folks be openly critical of women having to wear the burka seeing it as a sign of female oppression?

Or in our case Critical of a Justice hanging the 10 Commandments in his court room.

I should be free to openly criticize the rules of any religion. Tell jokes at the expense of religious folks or draw cartoons of religious figures.

However I shouldn't be able to encourage or support hatred or violence towards them.

Fear of Muslims? You can't just past a law expecting people to stop being afraid of a particular religious ideology.

A better option IMO to alleviate people's fears would be to draft a statement saying the government will never support, condone, encourage, defend any laws based on religious belief.

What religious laws an individual chooses to follow on their own is entirely up to them as long as it doesn't violate the civil laws of the country.

 

[Spiderman]

Hell yes!
Sharia law is coming to America baby!
I can't wait...weeeeee!
Let's get ready to rumble!
Allahu Akbar!!

 

[icehorse]

Actually, the article didn't seem to me to be making a case of the adoption of Sharia law outside of Muslim communities. How is that any different from, say, Roman Catholic Church laws governing divorce applying only to Roman Catholics?

Out of curiosity, and not to be snarky, does your comment imply that the headline itself carries no weight?

 

[Sunstone]

Out of curiosity, and not to be snarky, does your comment imply that the headline itself carries no weight?

Nope. It's probably just a personal thing with me, but I expect headlines to be clickbait, and not very much reflect the substance of the article. I more or less ignored it.

 

[YmirGF]

Thank you CBC, I feel so much better hearing that I have nothing to fear from Sharia... are you kidding me???

Shariah and rules that govern religious practices in other faiths are not to be feared, spiritual leaders say

I wonder if Sharia rules on inheritance trump Canadian inheritance laws? My guess is that they would not. Plus, in Canadian court a woman would not be required to bring 3 female friends, of good and pious character, to aid her defense.

 

[Sunstone]

Fear of Muslims? You can't just past a law expecting people to stop being afraid of a particular religious ideology.

A better option IMO to alleviate people's fears would be to draft a statement saying the government will never support, condone, encourage, defend any laws based on religious belief.

What religious laws an individual chooses to follow on their own is entirely up to them as long as it doesn't violate the civil laws of the country.

This sounds sensible. Quite sensible. Glad you're not running for elected office. With a dangerous attitude like yours, you'd poison the system of lunacy that's been in place for centuries.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Thank you CBC, I feel so much better hearing that I have nothing to fear from Sharia... are you kidding me???

Shariah and rules that govern religious practices in other faiths are not to be feared, spiritual leaders say

I think the article makes a good point here:

"It's all around you," said Imam Mohamad Jebara, chief iman and resident scholar at the Cordova Spiritual Education Center in Ottawa.

"Every time a Muslim goes to pray, whenever I cook and take food to my neighbours, that's me exercising what Shariah teaches me," he said.

Shari'a is merely the entirety of Islamic law, so it covers guidelines for prayer and eating just as much as it does penal codes and state laws. I think that whether or not one should fear Shari'a depends on the interpretation thereof as well as which part of Shari'a we're talking about.

 

[Debater Slayer]

You'd have to be some kind of Islamophobe to not find that reasonable, common among Islamophobes is a complete and utter ignorance of just what sharia law is.

You know what is pretty much just as toxic and meaningless as misconceptions about Shari'a? Overuse of the term "Islamophobia."

 

[leibowde84]

Thank you CBC, I feel so much better hearing that I have nothing to fear from Sharia... are you kidding me???

Shariah and rules that govern religious practices in other faiths are not to be feared, spiritual leaders say

I haven't seen any reason to fear Shariah law where I live in the U.S. Can't speak for any other part of the world though.

 

[icehorse]

Shari'a is merely the entirety of Islamic law, so it covers guidelines for prayer and eating just as much as it does penal codes and state laws. I think that whether or not one should fear Shari'a depends on the interpretation thereof as well as which part of Shari'a we're talking about.

Yes, it "covers" those mundane things. But as you said, it's the "entirety" so it also covers, stoning adulteresses, codified misogyny, codified homophobia, and codified anti-semitism, among other things.

 

[sun rise]

When we have a likely Senator in the USA who wants to impose the Christian version of religious law and many "taliban Christians" running around as well, I don't see much danger in political Sharia given the level of political Christianity we have now.

It's import to avoid the "boogeyman will get your if you don't watch out" reaction but rather to understand when words have very very different meanings to different people and to find out what the majority means in the country in question.

The article to me was thus helpful in understanding that to Western Muslims "sharia" has the same place as Halacha has for observant Jews.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Separation of Church and State is a good thing. That has been demonstrated numerous times. The moment you give any religious group funds or recognition, then the govco is tempted to begin controlling religion. Religion is a natural tool for government to use, and the govco naturally then begins to use religion to control people and combines with the religion to create something unique. Its demonstrable in History. So Sharia cases should not be adjudicated by Canada's supreme court and technically are not and neither should Halacha. The cases in the article are civil, not criminal.

Here is the thing, however. When a visiting power (whether Jewish or Muslim or Christian or Other) presses for political influence, it should not be recognized as legitimate. These are visiting powers which are religions and which operate under the protection of the government in power but not above it. So if there is a dispute in a religious court which affects a citizen of Canada, then jurisdiction must reside with the courts of the law of the land. Generally they do.

Here is what is different however. Today we have evidence that fundamentalists do not respect the law of the land. Instead they insist that the law of the land should be subjugated to the laws of their particular religions. This is not OK. A legitimate fear is not the actions of a few but of the idea that the natural government may be subdued by activists claiming religious authority. It is a real threat to government by the people and has occurred in the past.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Hell yes!
Sharia law is coming to America baby!
I can't wait...weeeeee!
Let's get ready to rumble!
Allahu Akbar!!
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You know, there should have been some Muslims in the 1970s movie The Warriors.

 

[BSM1]

Yes, it "covers" those mundane things. But as you said, it's the "entirety" so it also covers, stoning adulteresses, codified misogyny, codified homophobia, and codified anti-semitism, among other things.

Honor killings...one of my favorite.

 

[Augustus]

"It's all around you," said Imam Mohamad Jebara, chief iman and resident scholar at the Cordova Spiritual Education Center in Ottawa.

OMG the Muslamics have got us surrounded!!! Run to the hills... Run for your lives!!

 

[sun rise]

Honor killings...one of my favorite.

Those primitive Christians who practice honor killings you of course mean such as Israeli Christian murdered by dad in ‘honor killing' over romance with Muslim