Muffled
Jesus in me
It took 50 years for me to become like me. It would be a miracle if you could even get off the ground.
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Challenge: I'm willing to convert if.......
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Muffled
Jesus in me
It is like trying to prove evolution. There is no way to go back in history and view what happened. The same is true of the Bible miracles. So the question is what evidence is there to support the concepts. For me I hear from God so that is a better source since He was there and knows all things.
Spice
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Just my perspective, but if you're willing to convert, and not to one specific belief system, on the "illustrations" rather than the "plot", perhaps you'd be better off to remain unattached and continue your "reading." I'm glad the pictures caught your attention, now try digging into the Word. You may never find a particular "genre" to suit you completely, and that's just fine.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Imagine if it was only Jesus and no doctors or hospital around.
Prognosis...... not very good.
You'd first have to have the mentality that the supernatural exists and can be causal for events in the world.
Without that, there can be no miracles.
If you never had that mentality or lost it somewhere along the way it's difficult it get it/get it back.
Reports of supernatural events exist because we probably don't understand the human psyche as well as we should.
The doctors were unable to cure my severe asthma attack. A pastor prayed "Jesus, heal this man" and I was instantly healed.
You let that sink in.
You're unable to accept what actually happened. Your unbelief has blinded you.
I think mentality can have a lot to do with our personal health.
At least something that can promote a positive mental outlook can't hurt.
Hormones like adrenaline and dopiness has been proven to block pain receptors. Certainly spiritual belief/experiences can release those in the body.
PureX
Veteran Member
By definition, a "miracle" is not provable. The term refers to an inexplicable (unexplainable) event that provides a very positive result. One cannot "prove" what one cannot explain.
Your request is not logically coherent.
... because the whole concept of a miracle is not logically coherent.
PureX
Veteran Member
Well, it is if we allow for the inexplicable. Which would be very silly of any of us to deny.
And how many people in that hospital that were by the bedpans were also heeled?
In any event, I'm glad you're better.
"Natural laws" are inferred from our observation of what happens. A miracle is something that transcends natural laws.
... but since natural laws are a product of what we've observed, any purported miracle, if substantiated, would be part of our observations of what happens and necessarily be incorporated into "the natural". This would make a substantiated miracle a contradiction in terms, since it would be simultaneously part of, and not part of, "the natural."
Koldo
Outstanding Member
I am willing to bet some money it only happened after you have been administered medicine.
Ask that pastor to pray so God will heal lots of people with incurable diseases instantly too. You don't even need to bother telling me the result. It will show up on the news if it works.
There's far more to religions than supposed miracles. Many folks go through and reflect on their beliefs without miracles having anything to do with it.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
A willingness on the part of their customers, to bet money on an outcome without access to all the pertinent information, is the reason bookmaking is such a lucrative business. I suggest you avoid gambling until you learn this important life lesson.
You're acting like all people everywhere literally believe in miracles... That's just silly.
McBell
Unbound
Define your parameters.
Tomef
Well-Known Member
If you toast several million pieces of bread you’ll get one with a Jesus face. Voila, a miracle. Post a pic of your Jesus toast once you’ve converted.
PureX
Veteran Member
Or appears to. We don't know. That's what makes it inexplicable. We call it a 'miracle' not because we know it defied natural law. But because we dont know that it didn't.
That's a bias we can't support, since we don't know the limitations of "natural law". All we know is what we think they might be according to what things look like to us. All a 'miracle' is, is something that looks like it defied natural law. But that doesn't mean that it did. Or that it didn't. It just means that it appeared to, to us.
There is no contradiction when you accept that we don;t know when or if anything defied natural law or not. All we're talking about here are how things appeared to people at the time. And people are not very reliable witnesses.