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Chargemasters and Healthcare Costs

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
About four years ago Steven Brill wrote an award-winning article for Time called “Bitter Pill” that “follows the money” in tracking down why healthcare is so expensive in the U.S.

Here are just a few highlights:

- 20% of our GDP is spent on healthcare.
- We spend more on knees and hips than Hollywood makes
- We spend more than the next 10 countries combined
- Healthcare lobbyists spent $5 billion in 1998 (3x what military lobbyists spend)

- Medicare would pay $14 for the same test that would cost a non-MC patient $200

- Hospitals have “chargemasters” - a hospital’s internal price list. (they are jacked up beyond belief)
- it’s the core of the pricing system.
- it’s not at all related to cost
- typical hospital equipment pays for itself in a year.

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Notice that in all of Washington’s debate about the ACA, no one ever mentions eliminating or reducing the profiteering…

https://www.uta.edu/faculty/story/2311/Misc/2013,2,26,MedicalCostsDemandAndGreed.pdf
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Yes the elite finding more ways to make more money by profiting off the sick. We have the most over priced healthcare system with horrible quality of care at that for over ten years now, last compared to 10 other western industrialized countries. I don't expect corporate elitests in the current administration to even care. Oh well the stocks are up, people could just as easily just pick the pockets of their sick parents and grandparents. :(
Once again, U.S. has most expensive, least effective health care system in survey
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Medicine too often is not evidence based. One example Nearly one-third of osteoarthritis-related costs incurred the year prior to knee replacement surgery are for non-recommended treatments

As far as the craziness goes, this posting nailed the problem We All Want Healthcare To Cost Much Less — But We Are Asking The Wrong Question

A few facts, the old-fashioned non-alternative kind:
  • Cost: Healthcare in the U.S., the whole system, costs us something like $3.4 trillion per year...
  • Waste: About a third of that is wasted on tests and procedures and devices that we really don’t need, that don’t help, that even hurt us. That’s the conservative estimate in a number of expert analyses, and based on the opinions of doctors about their own specialties. Some analyses say more: Some say half. Even that conservative estimate (one third) is a big wow: over $1.2 trillion per year, something like twice the entire U.S. military budget, thrown away on waste.
  • Prices: The prices are nuts. It’s not just pharmaceuticals. Across the board, from devices to procedures, hospital room charges to implants to diagnostic tests, the prices actually paid in the U.S. are three, five, 10 times what they are in other medically advanced countries like France, Germany, and the U.K.
  • Value: Unlike any other business, prices in healthcare bear no relation to value. If you pay $50,000 for a car, chances are very good that you’ll get a nicer car than if you pay $15,000. If you pay $2200 or $4500 for an MRI, there is pretty much no chance that you will get a better MRI than if you paid $730 or $420. (Yes, these are real prices, all from the same local market.)
  • Variation: Unlike any other business, prices in healthcare bear no relation to the producer’s cost. None. How can you tell? I mean, besides the $600 price tag on a 69-cent bottle of sterile water with a teaspoon of salt that’s labeled “saline therapeutics” on the medical bill? (Yes, those are real prices, too.) You can tell because of the insane variation. The price for your pill, procedure or test may well be three, five, even 12 times the price paid in some other city across the country, in some other institution across town, even for the person across the hall. Try that in any other business. Better yet, call me: I have a 10-year-old Ford F-150 to sell you for $75,000.
  • Inefficiency: We do healthcare in the most inefficient way possible, waiting until people show up in the Emergency Department with their diabetes, heart problem, or emphysema completely out of control, where treatment will cost 10 times as much as it would if we had gotten to them first to help them avoid a serious health crisis. (And no, that’s not part of the 1/3 that is waste. That’s on top of it.)
So who’s the chump here? We’re paying ridiculous prices for things we don’t necessarily need delivered in the most inefficient way possible.

Why?
Why do they do that to us? Because we pay them to.

(and from that same piece, an example of how part of the solution might work)

Here’s one example of an incentive: A payer says to its members, “You need a new knee? Great, fine. Here are all the high-quality places you can get that done in your area. You can choose any that you like. But here’s a list of high-quality places in your area that do it for what we call a “reference price” or even less. Choose one of those places, and we will pay for everything from diagnosis to rehab. You can choose a place with a higher price if you like, but you’ll have to pay the difference yourself.” With reference prices, the employee or member partners with the payer in becoming a fierce, demanding customer, and prices for anything treated this way come crashing down.
 
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