Charlie Hebdo to attack Muslims again

[TagliatelliMonster]

You can not blame all Muslims for what a few did

He isn't.
@lewisnotmiller said "they", where "they" refers to shooters, not the entire collective of muslims.

Sounds like a dodge to avoid addressing the actual point he makes.

 

[Howard Is]

Better to work in protecting the future generations from diseases such as the tiny viruses
that can kill millions on earth and paralyzes the economy than talking about nonsense.

True.
But I said ‘if that happens...’
In other words, if I was compelled by law to respect ANY religion, then I am compelled by my conscience to destroy that law.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am addressing his concern.
He claims we all should bow down to bullies.

I completely disagree with bowing down to bullies.

I don't infer that from his posts.
But I agree about actively opposing bullies & terrorists.

 

[Spirit of Light]

But you also said that it should be illegal.
So clearly you think it's more then just your opinion...

Obviously you are allowed to have your opinion about said cartoons as it concerns taste, quality, etc.
It seems though, that you get upset about people not sharing your particular opinion.

And last but not least, your opinion of a cartoon isn't really relevant when it comes to the rights of a cartoonist to create said cartoon, right?

Is your opinion about the same drawing any better then mine? Just because you feel it's ok to mock believers is your view better then mine? I do not say only my view is correct, I only portray my own view

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I can say it again.
I do not support murder, I do not support Muslims who killing or hatm others, I do not support none Muslims who harm or do evil deeds, I do not support Charlie Hebdo,

The sheer amount of attention you're giving to these cartoons suggests that you see them as more important than the mass murder.

You also keep on asking whether Charlie Hebdo "learned their lesson" as if you consider murder to be a fair consequence for publishing a cartoon.

I do not support drawings that is created to make fun of or harm any spiritual person or God.

They're being published to make fun of those who carried out the attack in the past, and probably ISIS in general. Do you consider the members of ISIS to be "spiritual people?"

I do not support freedom of speech if that speech is made to harm others.

That's not true. I've seen you advocate harm for other people - LGBTQ people, specifically - many times.

I DO support freedom to believe in any religion or spiritual teaching. I DO support the choice each person have to believe what they want.

Nothing that Charlie Hebdo has done, published or planned interferes with anyone's freedom to follow their beliefs.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I want Muslims to pray according to Islam, not non muslims

But you do want non-muslims to comply to islam when it comes to its rules about drawing?

Should non-muslims be allowed to buy and eat pork chops in a restaurant where muslims are also customers?
If the table next to me is a muslim family who is offended by me going at it with a plate of pork ribs, what should happen in your opinion?

A. the muslim should just suck it up or move elsewhere
B. I should eat chicken instead

Let's ask that question again, but with a little twist.

Suppose that in the same country, muslim terrorists previously went on killing sprees in restaurants because they served pork chops.

Now, same question:

A. the muslim should just suck it up or move elsewhere
B. I should eat chicken instead
C. the restauran shouldn't be serving it in the first place. it should be "illegal".
D. the muslim should shoot me in the face and I'ld deserve it because I "provoked" him.​

 

[Howard Is]

It will of course be equal to everyone. A law should be there to protect those who are religious or spiritual from any teaching.

But religions disagree on a lot of basics.
So who is going to arbitrate ?

Then there is the question of whether or not religious people can be legally prevented from insulting or disrespecting non-religious people.

Are you suggesting giving religious people more rights than non-religious people ?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I only speak of how "humor" should not be used to depict religion.
I don't care about money python

You haven't seen the movie, did you?
It's basicly one giant epic hilarious parody on jesus and the birth of christianity.


I'll guarantee you, btw, that if the move was about Islam and Brian depicted Mohammed, it would have been so bad you might have thought for a second that all-out war broke out. Plenty would have died in gruesome city guerillia attacks. Guaranteed.

Wait, don't tell me that you are making a special case about religious jokes if the religion in question happens to be islam...? How (un)surprising that would be..........

 

[Spirit of Light]

The sheer amount of attention you're giving to these cartoons suggests that you see them as more important than the mass murder.

You also keep on asking whether Charlie Hebdo "learned their lesson" as if you consider murder to be a fair consequence for publishing a cartoon.



They're being published to make fun of those who carried out the attack in the past, and probably ISIS in general. Do you consider the members of ISIS to be "spiritual people?"


That's not true. I've seen you advocate harm for other people - LGBTQ people, specifically - many times.


Nothing that Charlie Hebdo has done, published or planned interferes with anyone's freedom to follow their beliefs.

As I said over and over again, I do not support murder, not by Muslims or anyone else.
I support freedom for Muslims to practice Islam but I do not see ISIS as spiritual Muslims.

I support my girlfriend who is a Sunni muslim so she can practice her religion freely. And yes I will probably convey my self in some time.

I do not support harming LGBTQ people.

 

[Howard Is]

It will of course be equal to everyone. A law should be there to protect those who are religious or spiritual from any teaching.

Will it be a law that prevents Sunnis and Shias from disrespecting each other.
Because that seems to be a bit of a long term problem ...

So are we respecting Shia or Sunni Islam ?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Is it? It look different to me

Quote a post where you think someone is blaming all muslims for the actions of terrorists.

 

[Spirit of Light]

But religions disagree on a lot of basics.
So who is going to arbitrate ?

Then there is the question of whether or not religious people can be legally prevented from insulting or disrespecting non-religious people.

Are you suggesting giving religious people more rights than non-religious people ?

To disagree is not the problem, speaking others believe down is a problem, and should be avoided

 

[Spirit of Light]

Will it be a law that prevents Sunnis and Shias from disrespecting each other.
Because that seems to be a bit of a long term problem ...

So are we respecting Shia or Sunni Islam ?

My girlfriend is Sunni so that make me closest to Sunni belief right now yes

 

[Spirit of Light]

Quote a post where you think someone is blaming all muslims for the actions of terrorists.

I was sarcastic in that post.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

As I said over and over again, I do not support murder, not by Muslims or anyone else.
I support freedom for Muslims to practice Islam but I do not see ISIS as spiritual Muslims.

So then when you described these cartoons as "drawings that is created to make fun of or harm any spiritual person or God," you were wrong?

I support my girlfriend who is a Sunni muslim so she can practice her religion freely. And yes I will probably convey my self in some time.

And?

I do not support harming LGBTQ people.

Do you mean that you had a change of heart and don't support harming them any more, or do you mean that you don't consider the things I've seen you argue for in the past - conversion "therapy" and denial of rights for trans people, IIRC - as harm?

 

[FearGod]

True.
But I said ‘if that happens...’
In other words, if I was compelled by law to respect ANY religion, then I am compelled by my conscience to destroy that law.

No harms come from respecting other ones beliefs, better to concern on other things
than just enjoying the freedom of insulting each other.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You misunderstood my whole point, I didn't say that Charlie Hebdo hates Muslims but
they use what their people hates as an advertisement material for their magazine, the same
way that Trump shows his dislike to Islam to gain more voices, that doesn't really means
that he hates Islam but he used it to fool many stupid people that may had chosen him just
because he shows them that he dislikes Islam and the immigrants.

It's all about business and leadership, people are fooled by them, hope my point is clear.

Satirical magazines will always take on topics that are relevant to the times.
It's what keeps their humor....... relevant.

If you look at past issues, covid19 obviously also gets tackled.

(the coffee almost came out of my noes from laughter with that "moi, ça va" text balloon btw )


The irony here, is that if islamist terrorists wouldn't be all up in our western face with their intolerance and hate, they wouldn't even get any airtime. Because they wouldn't be news.

Worse still, if it wouldn't have been for their ridiculously out-of-this-cosmos reaction to it, then practically nobody outside of Paris would even know what Charlie Hebdo is.

 

[Howard Is]

To disagree is not the problem, speaking others believe down is a problem, and should be avoided

True.

So perhaps the Imams could stop criticising atheist hedonists as if they were uncivilised animals.

Perhaps I could go to a Muslim nation and have a beer.

When will that happen ?

We both know it won’t.

If it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander. Right ?

 

[Revoltingest]

The sheer amount of attention you're giving to these cartoons suggests that you see them as more important than the mass murder.

This strikes me as horribly wrong. He brought up an
issue in the OP. He's been trying to advocate for more
respect for Islam, & religions in general.
He's said he opposes murder/terrorism. But by trying
to keep on track, he faces false accusations of either
tacitly approving of, or at minimizing terrorism.
I have no respect for Islam, & even find it to be a threat.
But I get his theme.

Read what he says. Don't add mischievous inferences to it.
This kind of hostility drives posters from the forum.

 

[Howard Is]

No harms come from respecting other ones beliefs, better to concern on other things
than just enjoying the freedom of insulting each other.

I certainly understand that.
And if any Muslim makes a funny drawing of me, or anyone I care about, I promise I won’t attack them with rifles and bombs.