Chosen people

[soonerboomer001.]

Well that is not historically reliable.



Maybe you did not know, but jesus was a jew.

He died a Roman death for starting trouble in the temple.

He died a Roman death because it was prophecy, he did not make any trouble in the temple. He was innocent of all charges, even Pilate said he found no wrong in him. I do know Jesus was a Jew, I know a great many things about the bible and therefore I quote from it, that way if you have an issue you'll have to take it up with God, I'm just the messenger.

 

[soonerboomer001.]

No, you got your information from a text you consider to be "the bible." I don't, and while you can dismiss me as being incorrect, I can do the same for you. Your conception of what is the bible and what is divine is wrong according to my understanding. Try to step away from what your text tells you and realize that many people see the world in a very different way. According to my learning, your text is not only non-authoritative, it is flat out inaccurate. Your idea of what Jews were looking for and what the events of the time are, are simply wrong, but I can grant you the right to make your statements as long as you know that they come from inside your own theological box.

I don't know where you get your information, however, you are correct I have the right to make opinions as do you. Many Blessings

 

[outhouse]

He died a Roman death because it was prophecy

No. There was no prophecy that said a Galilean who took over Johns movement after Johns death, would be crucified at Passover.

he did not make any trouble in the temple

Then read the book, in literature he factually did.

Pilate said he found no wrong in him.

Not historical

if you have an issue you'll have to take it up with God, I'm just the messenger.

Which god are you talking about?

Your no more a messenger then I am


No, ill take it up with you since you know a single form of apologetics which carries no historical credibility.

 

[soonerboomer001.]

I believe it was a religious forum. Oh well no worries

 

[outhouse]

I believe it was a religious forum. Oh well no worries

Religious education.

If you don't know the real history, your unarmed in a debate sir.

 

[rosends]

I don't know where you get your information, however, you are correct I have the right to make opinions as do you. Many Blessings

I get my information from the bible. Just that you wouldn't consider it "the bible." See how that works?

 

[soonerboomer001.]

People and nations have been trying to eradicate the Jews for eternity. It will never be done as God made them a promise that they would always win.

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

I believe it was a religious forum. Oh well no worries

Think you just need to get used to the idea of globalization obviously God is very happy with the christians as here and now we superior to you in everyway. 7000 years ago brother you are not now what you once was.

 

[outhouse]

People and nations have been trying to eradicate the Jews for eternity

Ridiculous bud.

Israelites evolved from displaced Canaanites about 3200 years ago. Judaism did not exist at that time.

It will never be done as God made them a promise that they would always win.

Funny they were beat down and oppressed and lost almost every battle they were ever in.

 

[Shadow of Liberty]

the land of Israel would always be victorious.

This reminded me of something from the movie "The Gatekeepers". In the film there are 6 former heads of the Shin Bet interviewed about their experiences in keeping Israel safe. I recall towards the end of the film "Ami Ayalon" was trying to pin down the essence of a Carl von Clausewitz quote that he seen as a wisdom for the future of Israel...and it goes... "Victory is simply the creation of a better political reality". Then Ami went on afterwards in a jest about discovering Clausewitz's Jewish roots because he was a wise man but wasn't aware if he had any. Good film!

 

[psychoslice]

Religious education.

If you don't know the real history, your unarmed in a debate sir.

Ha, is there such thing as true history in religion, maybe an element of truth.

 

[outhouse]

Ha, is there such thing as true history in religion

There is a difference between real history and the known pseudohistory.

Learn what a biblical scholar does.

 

[soonerboomer001.]

Ridiculous bud.

Israelites evolved from displaced Canaanites about 3200 years ago. Judaism did not exist at that time.




Funny they were beat down and oppressed and lost almost every battle they were ever in.

They may have been down, but they didn't lose.

 

[soonerboomer001.]

Think you just need to get used to the idea of globalization obviously God is very happy with the christians as here and now we superior to you in everyway. 7000 years ago brother you are not now what you once was.

Christians are not superior to anyone, we're just redeemed.

 

[soonerboomer001.]

I get my information from the bible. Just that you wouldn't consider it "the bible." See how that works?

I get my information from the bible, I assume the same bible you claim to use. Perhaps you should get more familiar with your bible before you get sideways with my studies.

 

[soonerboomer001.]

Religious education.

If you don't know the real history, your unarmed in a debate sir.

I know plenty of the history, you choose to refuse to hear anything other than your beliefs, what a pity that's how you learn is getting another opinion that's not your own. By the way, I'm not a sir. Read the profile correctly and you'll find lots of information, you read everything like you read the bible, no wonder your talking off the top of your head.

 

[rosends]

I get my information from the bible, I assume the same bible you claim to use. Perhaps you should get more familiar with your bible before you get sideways with my studies.

Really? You have studied the torah sheb'al peh also?
Have you even studied the torah shebichtav in the original? Maybe with rashi?
I doubt you know the bible I "claim to use." You should get familiar with it before you assume anything about what I study.

 

[soonerboomer001.]

Really? You have studied the torah sheb'al peh also?
Have you even studied the torah shebichtav in the original? Maybe with rashi?
I doubt you know the bible I "claim to use." You should get familiar with it before you assume anything about what I study.

Someone sounds defensive, you made the unneeded snide remarks, evidently you thought I would let you get away with your bullying behavior. The Torah was written by man and made by man. The bible is divinely inspired and will continue to stand the test of time, whereas the Torah is reconfigured every so often to keep up with the times. I'll take my bible over your education anytime.

 

[rosends]

Someone sounds defensive, you made the unneeded snide remarks, evidently you thought I would let you get away with your bullying behavior. The Torah was written by man and made by man. The bible is divinely inspired and will continue to stand the test of time, whereas the Torah is reconfigured every so often to keep up with the times. I'll take my bible over your education anytime.

so in other words, you DON'T study what I study and my initial claim was correct. Why didn't you just say so?

And I love that bit about the Torah being reconfigured. Really. That's precious.

 

[outhouse]

Someone sounds defensive, you made the unneeded snide remarks, evidently you thought I would let you get away with your bullying behavior.

Certain orthodox religions develop an attitude since they go against the grain of academia and education on may topics. Being a minority in their own religion build attitude.

The Torah was written by man and made by man. The bible is divinely inspired and will continue to stand the test of time, whereas the Torah is reconfigured every so often to keep up with the times.

That is unsubstantiated rhetoric, the same kind of ancient people that wrote the OT/Torah wrote the NT. ONLY people wrote these books divine inspiration is not a proven topic. If anything all evidence points to the opposite.

. I'll take my bible over your education anytime.

What education ?