Chosen people

[viole]

Is there a chosen people, if yes who

Nope. But there are people who make up Gods who choose them.

Ciao

- viole

 

[InChrist]

Is there a chosen people, if yes who

According to the biblical scriptures the chosen people are the people of Israel, the Jewish people. They were not chosen because they were better or more important than others, but because God had a plan and purpose to accomplish through them of bringing the Messiah to the earth and revealing Himself and His holy standards to the world.

Like all people, the chosen people have fallen short, yet the scriptures are clear that for His name's sake God will fulfill His plan for Israel and the nations of this world...

When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land. But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.
“Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes.For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Ezekiel 36;20-25

"The ultimate goal of God’s choice of the Jews as His chosen people was to produce the Messiah, Jesus Christ, who would be the Savior of the world. Jesus had to come from some nation or people, and God chose Israel. God first promised the Savior/Messiah after Adam and Eve sinned (Genesis 3). Later, God specified that the Messiah would come from the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Genesis 12). Later still, He narrowed the Messiah’s ancestry to the line of David (2 Samuel 7). Throughout their history, the people of Israel were aware of their “chosen” status before God (see 1 Kings 3:8; 8:53; Psalm 105:43; Isaiah 43:4; 65:9; and Amos 3:2). The fact that God has an eternal future for Israel is evident in that five sixths of the Bible bears directly or indirectly upon them—Jesus being the central figure who brought the Jews and Gentiles together (Ephesians 2:14)."
http://www.gotquestions.org/Gods-chosen-people.html

 

[outhouse]

According to the biblical scriptures

Is meaningless outside the faithful. YOUR personal religion does not apply to the reality of others.

They were not chosen

Agreed

They self proclaimed they were chosen, nothing more.

 

[InChrist]

Is meaningless outside the faithful. YOUR personal religion does not apply to the reality of others.



Agreed

They self proclaimed they were chosen, nothing more.

Interesting how you take a few words right out of a sentence. I guess there is no point in conversing further.
Besides the information revealed in the scriptures is REALITY, from my perspective, so we probably can't have any meaningful conversation anyway.

 

[outhouse]

Besides the information revealed in the scriptures is REALITY,

Only to you. It IS NOT reality to anyone else. Much is mythological in nature and does not apply to reality.

The bibles history is factually not accurate in many places, and factually a literal translation does not apply to all text.

They self proclaimed they were chosen, nothing more.

 

[InChrist]

Only to you. It IS NOT reality to anyone else. Much is mythological in nature and does not apply to reality.

The bibles history is factually not accurate in many places, and factually a literal translation does not apply to all text.

They self proclaimed they were chosen, nothing more.

If it is God the Creator's revealed information to humanity, then it is reality for everyone. Of course I'm not denying that you or anyone has the right to deny this, but if it's true then denial is fruitless and it does not change such reality. I find it hard that anyone can continue to deny the scriptures concerning Israel when so much prophesy about the nation of Israel has been fulfilled before our eyes and Israel (that tiny little country) continues to be an unprecedented focal point in the world today, just as the scriptures indicate would be the case.

 

[Pudding]

If it is God the Creator's revealed information to humanity, then it is reality for everyone. Of course I'm not denying that you or anyone has the right to deny this, but if it's true then denial is fruitless and it does not change such reality.

Only if it is true.

I find it hard that anyone can continue to deny the scriptures concerning Israel when so much prophesy about the nation of Israel has been fulfilled before our eyes and Israel (that tiny little country) continues to be an unprecedented focal point in the world today, just as the scriptures indicate would be the case.

This is just like any other religion's believer may say that: "I find it hard that anyone can continue to deny my religion's evidence that my religion/God's claims is true, i think or believe or very certain that my religion's evidence is very convincing, i cannot understand why/how non-believer or other religion's believer can deny my religion's evidence."

 

[InChrist]

Only if it is true.


This is just like any other religion's believer may say that: "I find it hard that anyone can continue to deny my religion's evidence that my religion/God's claims is true, i think or believe or very certain that my religion's evidence is very convincing, i cannot understand why/how non-believer or other religion's believer can deny my religion's evidence."

Correct, only if it is true, therefore all the more reason for each person to weigh all the claims and seek the truth concerning the available evidence.

 

[Pudding]

Correct, only if it is true, therefore all the more reason for each person to weigh all the claims and seek the truth concerning the available evidence.

Some non-believer find the available evidence regarding towards some religion's claims, is unconvincing for them, just like you think other religion's evidence is unconvincing to you, what else for them/you to do if their/your [logic/reasoing] results in that those evidence is unconvincing?

 

[InChrist]

Some non-believer find the available evidence regarding towards some religion's claims, is unconvincing for them, just like you think other religion's evidence is unconvincing to you, what else for them/you to do if their/your [logic/reasoing] results in that those evidence is unconvincing?

I realize that this is true and each person's search and understanding is unique, yet I think that if one is sincere in their quest for truth regarding God and spiritual matters then they will be reasonably, logically, and spiritually convinced at some point in their life by the One who created everything.

 

[Khem]

That's an awfully incriminating statement, don't you think? It can't be a problem with the explanation, it must be a lack of sincerity on the part of the one who heard the explanation and failed to be convinced?

 

[Pudding]

I realize that this is true and each person's search and understanding is unique, yet I think that if one is sincere in their quest for truth regarding God and spiritual matters then they will be reasonably, logically, and spiritually convinced at some point in their life by the One who created everything.

You think? Base on what foundation/evidence?

If a person is sincere in his quest for truth regarding any religion's God and spiritual matters, is it impossible to result that he get a reasonably/logically opinion that those evidence is not convincing to himself?

If a person cannot be reasonably, logically, and spiritually convinced at some point in their life by any religion's God, is that guarantee to means they're insincere in their quest for truth regarding those religion's God and spiritual matters?

You cannot be reasonably, logically, and spiritually convinced at some point in your life by other religion's God, does that means you're insincere in your quest for truth regarding those religion's God and spiritual matters?

We cannot know whether one is truly sincere or not, it's a weak argument to say that if one indeed is truly sincere in their quest for truth regarding any religion's God and spiritual matters, then it's impossible that he cannot reasonably/logically/spiritually be convinced by those religion's God.

Religion A: If non-believer is insincere in their quest for truth regarding my religion's God, then they'll not be reasonably/logically/spiritually be convinced by my religion's God. Only when they're truly sincere then they can be or able to be convinced by my religion's God.
Religion B,C,D...etc: (Same claims as religion A)

With using this argument, then every religion is the truth religion, which in itself is a contradiction.
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[InChrist]

You think? Base on what foundation/evidence?

If a person is sincere in his quest for truth regarding any religion's God and spiritual matters, is it impossible to result that he get a reasonably/logically opinion that those evidence is not convincing to himself?

If the person cannot be reasonably, logically, and spiritually convinced at some point in their life by any religion's God, is that means they're insincere?

You cannot be reasonably, logically, and spiritually convinced at some point in your life by other religion's God, does that means you're insincere in your quest for truth regarding those religion's God and spiritual matters?

I think it just means that it is not about religion. It is about the One true Creator and He will do the convincing and convicting.

 

[outhouse]

If it is God the Creator's revealed information to humanity, then it is reality for everyone

Yet it factually has not been prove to be real outside mythology. You have the burden here, and all evidence points to creation as straight up 100% mythology.

but if it's true

It has been proven false in many places and carries no historical credibility what so ever.


The exodus did not take place as written, Abraham is said to be a literary creation, same for noah and the flood, and moses. So chosen coming from this same mythology means one thing to most of us.

ITS MYTHOLOGY to us, self proclaimed mythology at that.

 

[Pudding]

I think it just means that it is not about religion. It is about the One true Creator and He will do the convincing and convicting.

It can be say that it's about which religion's God is the One true Creator, it looks like quite some religion's God think that only they themself is the One true Creator.

True Creator God A from religion A: Those who're insincere when they seek my enlighten, then they'll not able be reasonably/logically/spiritually be convinced by me. Only when they're truly sincere then they can be or able to be convinced by me.
True Creator God B,C,D..etc from religion B,C,D..etc: (Same claims as religion A's true Creator God A)

With using this argument, then everyone of those religion's God is all equally the One true Creator, which in itself is a contradiction.

 

[outhouse]

It can be say that it's about which religion's God is the One true Creator

That's correct.

All different religions have different creation mythology.


They all have one thing in common, it remains factually 100% devoid of any credible evidence, showing a deity has done anything anywhere in nature at any time, in any religion.

 

[Pudding]

That's correct.

All different religions have different creation mythology.


They all have one thing in common, it remains factually 100% devoid of any credible evidence, showing a deity has done anything anywhere in nature at any time, in any religion.

I've no objection that this can be a reasonable/logically correct views to some people; but those believer who believe/think/know that their evidence is credible (by their experience/reasoning) which show that their God has indeed done anything anywhere in nature at any time, may disagree with the views that their evidence is not credible.

 

[outhouse]

, may disagree with the views that their evidence is not credible.

You cannot stop fanaticism and fundamentalism. Academia and knowledge and education cannot force people to enjoy the fruits thereof.

 

[Pudding]

You cannot stop fanaticism and fundamentalism. Academia and knowledge and education cannot force people to enjoy the fruits thereof.

I think it's a situation that both side cannot agree with each other.

 

[Father Heathen]

Is there a chosen people, if yes who

Gods tend to favor the cultures who's mythologies they've originated from. What a coincidence!