Christian: does god hate sin?

[Mike182]

i was at a christian youth conference last weekend, and i had a thought

god hates all sins equally right

why does he hate them all equally? i was thinking on this the whole weekend and i dont know why, but i just thought id post my thoughts and see what people think

different sins affect us and the world around us in different ways, so surely it must only be right to judge each sin independantly as appose to judging them all as "equally evil"

heres my thought, what if god doesnt care about the individual sins!

what i mean is, sins affect our relationship with god, so what if god is more upset and dissapointed by us becoming distant from him through sins as appose to he hates the actual sins themselves

its just a thought i had, but it doesnt stand its ground for long in a debate, i can see many flaws in - for one is would show that god doesnt mind things like murder and rape - but its a thought that kept me intruiged for a weekend so i thought id share it

C_P

 

[Quiddity]

John wrote, “there is sin leading to death . . . there is sin not leading to death.” (1 John 5:16-17, NKJV). 1 John 5:16-17

If God hates all sin the same, then why the disctiction? What do you make of the verse above?

~Victor

 

[joeboonda]

Does God hate sin? Yes. Equally. no, some are worse than others. He still hates all sin, as He is Holy. He loves the sinner, hates the sin. Also, He knows sin can separate us from him for eternity if we are not saved, and causes us trouble and can put us out of fellowship with him here. And in James, it says if we break one small part of the law we are guilty of all, so he hates any sin. I am just glad he provided payment for our sins through Jesus, cause we all have sinned, and do sin.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Does it matter? As you said, ALL sin seperates us from God. Sure, it matters to us as we would accept a liar over a murderer, but even then sin nailed Jesus to the Cross. Even that little "white lie".

 

[Scott1]

Does it matter? As you said, ALL sin seperates us from God. Sure, it matters to us as we would accept a liar over a murderer, but even then sin nailed Jesus to the Cross. Even that little "white lie".

Amen... I don't worry about what God "hates"... I worry about what I have done to injure my relationship with him... and how to grow closer to him.

 

[Quiddity]

Amen... I don't worry about what God "hates"... I worry about what I have done to injure my relationship with him... and how to grow closer to him.

Amen....I hope I didn't express otherwise.

~Victor

 

[Mike182]

Amen....I hope I didn't express otherwise.

~Victor

thanks guys

like i said, it was a thought i entertained and not a solid theological theory

 

[oneWord]

uh, yes, God hates sin - He is Holy (don't you remember Moses hiding in the bush?)

 

[Alazye]

Does God hate sin? Yes. Equally. no, some are worse than others. He still hates all sin, as He is Holy. He loves the sinner, hates the sin. Also, He knows sin can separate us from him for eternity if we are not saved, and causes us trouble and can put us out of fellowship with him here. And in James, it says if we break one small part of the law we are guilty of all, so he hates any sin. I am just glad he provided payment for our sins through Jesus, cause we all have sinned, and do sin.

I agree, all sin is not equal because although you can be forgiven from all sins except blaspheming the Holy Spirit. You would need a greater explaination when God asks you why you killed someone, greater then someone who told a lie.

 

[zron]

Ok, here is what is confusing about all this differant level of sin thing. Fist off th OT does give differant punishments for differant sins. That being said, if it is as you say that if Jesus saves us from all our sins (except blaspheming the Spirit) then why would we have to explain ourselves at all. It is my understanding that once you have become a cristian you are a new man/woman.ie: no sins.

 

[robtex]

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[jeffrey]

zson, it's not that we have no sin, most of us sin every day. Christ died for our sins, It's the only way we believe we can have a complete fellowship with God. Religions very on this. Some think that's all that is needed. Others believe that you must have 'works' while others believe that most will make heaven, but you will be servants to them because you are not of the same religion as they.

 

[michel]

zson, it's not that we have no sin, most of us sin every day. Christ died for our sins, It's the only way we believe we can have a complete fellowship with God. Religions very on this. Some think that's all that is needed. Others believe that you must have 'works' while others believe that most will make heaven, but you will be servants to them because you are not of the same religion as they.

I'm not 'into' the servant thing; neither being a servant, nor having any............

Where did you see that, Jeff ?

 

[hero]

i was at a christian youth conference last weekend, and i had a thought

god hates all sins equally right

why does he hate them all equally? i was thinking on this the whole weekend and i dont know why, but i just thought id post my thoughts and see what people think

different sins affect us and the world around us in different ways, so surely it must only be right to judge each sin independantly as appose to judging them all as "equally evil"

heres my thought, what if god doesnt care about the individual sins!

what i mean is, sins affect our relationship with god, so what if god is more upset and dissapointed by us becoming distant from him through sins as appose to he hates the actual sins themselves

its just a thought i had, but it doesnt stand its ground for long in a debate, i can see many flaws in - for one is would show that god doesnt mind things like murder and rape - but its a thought that kept me intruiged for a weekend so i thought id share it

C_P

Satans fall was of pride. people see sin as the big picture. but sins and transgressions mean nothing more than an offense. you must think of what the offense is. sin is a broad topic, that is why it was hard for you to understand any equivelancy in it. but the truth is their is only one sin. pride. pride is evil. and in my theological beliefs it is the root of all sin. over the thousands of years sin has been molded and crested into new shapes and sizes, but it is still made of the same material. this particular theological view can be greatly expanded on, but this is made simple for your convenience. Peace and love.:162:

 

[Mike182]

this particular theological view can be greatly expanded on, but this is made simple for your convenience. Peace and love.:162:

can i hear the expanded version? i can see where your coming from with the pride point, id just like to examine it a bit further

 

[Daniel Burbank]

I agree, all sin is not equal because although you can be forgiven from all sins except blaspheming the Holy Spirit. You would need a greater explaination when God asks you why you killed someone, greater then someone who told a lie.

God will not ask you to justify your sins on judgement day. He may or may not ask you why you did it, but bottom line you're not going to be able to repent of your sins before God on judgement day. The penalty for all sins is the same: death. The only sin above other sins is sin against the holy spirit. God hates all other sin equally.

Remember Paul, who was responsible for the death of many christians before he became a christian himself.

 

[Buttons*]

... if god made everything, did god make sin?

 

[hero]

I believe my friend put it best when he said, "Hate the sin, love the sinner."

 

[Daniel Burbank]

... if god made everything, did god make sin?

The Devil is the father of lies, and out of lies spring forth...sin. The devil is the father of both.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

thanks guys

like i said, it was a thought i entertained and not a solid theological theory

Right on!!

All sin(s) prevent us from being who we should be "in Christ" as followers of Jesus. All sin(s) eventually will bring ruin to our relationship with God and others, so I can see why someone would say that God "hates" all "sins" "equally."

However, as a matter of common sense we know that there is a wide variety of destruction that certain sin(s) can bring in a person's life, making it reasonable to think that God "hates" a sin with regard to how much destruction a particular sin brings in the lives of people.

IMHO, it sounds like the leader doesn't care about this issue. Rather, the speaker was trying to keep young people from commiting more "minor" "sins" like drinking, lust, etc etc by putting these piccodellos on the same level as murder, etc. The tool is nothing less than fear. The speaker wants you to reason, "God hates this 'sin' just as much as murder (and the like)," therefore, I won't do what the speaker says is a 'sin.'

It might be more productive to concentrate on commands that are positively advocated by Christ. Love your neighbor as yourself and love the Lord - in doing these, you will fulfill the law and the prophets.