Christian Trump Supporters

[Sgt. Pepper]

I do believe that in the long run the religious right is hurting themselves, and this happened before to them a few decades ago as that movement has been usurped by connecting themselves to secular right-wing politics. By defending Trump at almost every turn, they've basically have excused his dishonesty, racism, and hedonism while pretending that this is somehow compatible with what Jesus taught.

As the old saying goes, "You are like the company you keep", and it's obvious with so many on the religious right that the "savior" they truly believe in is Donald J. Trump.

The Religious Right has definitely dragged its reputation, Christian witness, and public image through the mud and muck by their unwavering support of Trump. The public perception of these Christians has been thoroughly damaged, and it's highly unlikely that they will ever recover or be able to restore their good character in the eyes of the public. The Bible states, "Do not be misled: 'Bad company corrupts good character'” (1 Corinthians 15:33). That's exactly what happened to these Christians who loyally support Donald Trump, and they have no one else to blame but themselves. They made their bed and now they have to lie in it.

 

[metis]

The Religious Right has definitely dragged its reputation, Christian witness, and public image through the mud and muck by their unwavering support of Trump. The public perception of these Christians has been thoroughly damaged, and it's highly unlikely that they will ever recover or be able to restore their good character in the eyes of the public. The Bible states, "Do not be misled: 'Bad company corrupts good character'” (1 Corinthians 15:33). That's exactly what happened to these Christians who loyally support Donald Trump, and they have no one else to blame but themselves. They made their bed and now they have to lie in it.

Yep, and it's truly unfortunate that Christianity, including the denomination I belong to, has kept shooting itself in the foot. I don't expect perfection, but I do expect accountability.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Yep, and it's truly unfortunate that Christianity, including the denomination I belong to, has kept shooting itself in the foot. I don't expect perfection, but I do expect accountability.

"For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks" (Matthew 15:18-20; Luke 6:45), and out of the mouth of angry Christian Trump supporters, we hear derogatory accusations spoken against the Democrats, such as 'snake face,' 'two faced,' 'demon face,' 'Satan's minions,' and 'demon rats' (as well as other disparaging terms). It seems to me that these Christians have forgotten to love their neighbor as themselves, love their enemies, pray for their enemies, do good to their enemies, turn the other cheek, do not return evil for evil, go the extra mile, and let their light so shine before men. However, I think it's clear what's in their heart, because the spiteful words and accusations that comes out of their mouth to disparage liberals reveals what's truly in their heart.

None of the derogatory terms these Christians used to accuse and deride liberals are even remotely compatible with the Fruit of the Spirit, which is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-24), but these demeaning terms are compatible with these works of the flesh, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, and factions (Galatians 5:19-21). I've written this post with these scriptures to remind us that these Christians have proven that they're no different from non-Christians. The derogatory terms they use aren't compatible with the teachings of Christ

It's perfectly clear by their contemptuous attitude towards liberals that they have one foot in the church and the other foot in the world. They don't have the moral ground to judge President Biden or any other Democrat. In fact, they don't have the moral ground to piously judge anyone else. The truth is, their unwavering support of Donald Trump completely disqualifies them from standing in judgment of other people. Most of them don't seem to realize that it makes them look like a hypocrite whenever they cast stones at Joe Biden and other Democrats. It also seems that most of them don't care about their personal reputation and Christian witness.

"Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen." (1 John 4:20)

"With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be." (James 3:9-10)

 

[metis]

"For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks" (Matthew 15:18-20; Luke 6:45), and out of the mouth of angry Christian Trump supporters, we hear derogatory accusations spoken against the Democrats, such as 'snake face,' 'two faced,' 'demon face,' 'Satan's minions,' and 'demon rats' (as well as other disparaging terms). It seems to me that these Christians have forgotten to love their neighbor as themselves, love their enemies, pray for their enemies, do good to their enemies, turn the other cheek, do not return evil for evil, go the extra mile, and let their light so shine before men. However, I think it's clear what's in their heart, because the spiteful words and accusations that comes out of their mouth to disparage liberals reveals what's truly in their heart.

None of the derogatory terms these Christians used to accuse and deride liberals aren't even remotely compatible with the Fruit of the Spirit, which is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-24), but these demeaning terms are compatible with these works of the flesh, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, and factions (Galatians 5:19-21). I've written this post with these scriptures to remind us that these Christians have proven that they're no different from non-Christians. The derogatory terms they use aren't compatible with the teachings of Christ.

It's perfectly clear by their contemptuous attitude towards liberals that they have one foot in the church and the other foot in the world. They don't have the moral ground to judge President Biden or any other Democrat. In fact, they don't have the moral ground to piously judge anyone else. The truth is, their unwavering support of Donald Trump completely disqualifies them from standing in judgment of other people. Most of them don't seem to realize that it makes them look like a hypocrite whenever they cast stones at Joe Biden and other Democrats. It also seems that most of them don't care about their personal reputation and Christian witness.

"Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen." (1 John 4:20)

"With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be." (James 3:9-10)

Sooooooooooooo well said, imo!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Can you imagine how, if that position permeates the younger generation, where will it lead us? I remember when they first started abortion for "extreme cases"... and look where it is now. Where are we really going to when we don't value life?

Aren't you the pastor of a church that stayed open to in-person services during the pandemic? Who are you to talk about valuing life?

I don't recall Jesus saying anything about abortion in the Gospels, but he sure had a lot to say about hypocrisy.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Aren't you the pastor of a church that stayed open to in-person services during the pandemic? Who are you to talk about valuing life?

I don't recall Jesus saying anything about abortion in the Gospels, but he sure had a lot to say about hypocrisy.

You know, it is hypocritical of some pro-life Christians to rail against the Democrats who support abortion, because when it comes to following the safety protocols for COVID-19 (wearing a mask, social distancing, get vaccinated), these same Christians scream bloody murder about how their freedom as Americans is being infringed. They could set the perfect example of what it means to "love your neighbor as yourself," by voluntarily following the protocols instead of refusing to follow the protocols to help stop the spread of a deadly virus that has killed an estimated 827,255 people (confirmed cases 54,292,558) in the United States alone.

But alas, they whine and bellyache instead about how their rights are being taken away from them. It seems to me that a devout pro-life Christian would be more concerned with the welfare of other people, then what's in it for them. For instance, I wear a mask and practice social distancing while I'm out in public, and I'm fully vaccinated. I do these things because I care about the welfare of my family, my friends, and everyone else I come into contact with while I'm out in public. I'm also pro-life, but I'm not a Christian.

And while I believe that it's a person's right to decide for themselves whether to be vaccinated or not, I still believe it's a person's moral responsibility to look out for their fellow man. Loving your neighbor as yourself isn't a difficult task to accomplish, because it's a personal choice to care about other people more than you care about yourself and put their needs before your own. It doesn't take much effort to put other people before yourself. It's odd that some pro-life Christians seem to struggle with that concept.

 

[Kenny]

Aren't you the pastor of a church that stayed open to in-person services during the pandemic? Who are you to talk about valuing life?

I don't recall Jesus saying anything about abortion in the Gospels, but he sure had a lot to say about hypocrisy.

Let me see.... do you have all the information to make a judgment call? Didn't Jesus have something to say about that?

But Jesus did have something to say about "Life" and loving your neighbor as yourself. It would be good if you loved a baby in the womb. IMHO

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Let me see.... do you have all the information to make a judgment call?

Where was I wrong?

How many of your parishoners - or their coworkers, relatives, customers, etc. - have you had a hand in killing?

Didn't Jesus have something to say about that?

You don't know?

FYI: disregarding Jesus's advice is only hypocritical for people who claim to follow Jesus.

 

[metis]

You know, it is hypocritical of pro-life Christians to rail against the Democrats who support abortion. because when it comes to following the safety protocols for COVID-19 (wear a mask, social distancing, get vaccinated), these same Christians scream bloody murder about how their freedom as Americans is being infringed upon. They could set the perfect example of what it means to "love your neighbor as yourself," by voluntarily following the protocols instead of refusing to follow the protocols to help stop the spread of a deadly virus that's killed an estimated 827,255 people (confirmed cases 54,292,558) in the United States alone.

But alas, they whine and bellyache instead about how their rights are being taken away from them. It seems to me that a devout pro-life Christian would be more concerned with the welfare of other people, then what's in it for them. For instance, I wear a mask and practice social distancing while I'm out in public, and I'm fully vaccinated. I do these things because I care about the welfare of my family, my friends, and everyone else I come into contact with while I'm out in public. I'm also pro-life, but I'm not a Christian.

And while I believe that it's a person's right to decide for themselves whether to be vaccinated or not, I still believe it's a person's moral responsibility to look out for their fellow man. Loving your neighbor as yourself isn't a difficult task to accomplish, because it's a personal choice to care about other people more than you care about yourself and put their needs before your own. It doesn't take much effort to put other people before yourself. It's odd that some pro-life Christians seem to struggle with that concept.

Plus, people should remember that we are not a theocracy according to the Constitution, thus the will of the people through their vote is crucial. Roughly 60% of Americans say they do not want Roe v Wade to be overturned, and even many who would maybe like to see it overturned can't agree on how this should relate to contingencies like rape and incest.

 

[metis]

But Jesus did have something to say about "Life" and loving your neighbor as yourself. It would be good if you loved a baby in the womb. IMHO

And outside of the womb. IMHO.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

And outside of the womb. IMHO.

I posted a quote earlier in this thread by a Catholic Nun, who described the conservative pro-life movement very well, IMO.

She said, "I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born, but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is." - Sister Joan Chittister (A Catholic Nun Perfectly Explains the Major Hypocrisy of the "Pro-Life" Argument). I also recommend reading her remarks about the pro-life movement in this article: Sr. Joan Chittister's 2004 quote on 'pro-life' versus 'pro-birth' goes viral. What do you think about her description of pro-life conservatives?

 

[Kenny]

Where was I wrong?

How many of your parishoners - or their coworkers, relatives, customers, etc. - have you had a hand in killing?

We purchased 3 FDA approved machines that kill 99.7% of all covid-and the machines ionizes the air so that wherever the A/C reaches on surfaces, it kills 99.7% of all covid and other viruses..
We had social distancing and hand-sanitizers.
We cleaned every chair before and after.
We told people that if there were in the "danger" category,., stay home.
We lost NO ONE. Not their family and/or friends. (There were some family/friends in other states that were lost but they had no contact with them)

Sooo... Mr. Judge, Jury and Prosecutor. Do I have an apology? Or is the boomerang hypocrisy statement going to hit you.

Incidentally... we did close for 30 days until we were sure we weren't spreading the virus.

You don't know?

FYI: disregarding Jesus's advice is only hypocritical for people who claim to follow Jesus.

Nice side step God judges all, and not just followers of Jesus. So, if you talk the "love" talk, take care of pregnant women that have babies growing

Regardless, God's love does encompass those who have made the very hard decision with care and forgiveness and restoration.

 

[Kenny]

And outside of the womb. IMHO.

No truer statement and always a heart check for all of us.

 

[metis]

No truer statement and always a heart check for all of us.

Thanks, my friend, and may you, yours, and all reading this have a most blessed New Year.

 

[Kenny]

Thanks, my friend, and may you, yours, and all reading this have a most blessed New Year.

Expecting great things for this New Year. There is a growing hunger for the things of God.

May you and yours continue to flow in His grace!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

We purchased 3 FDA approved machines that kill 99.7% of all covid-and the machines ionizes the air so that wherever the A/C reaches on surfaces, it kills 99.7% of all covid and other viruses..
We had social distancing and hand-sanitizers.
We cleaned every chair before and after.
We told people that if there were in the "danger" category,., stay home.
We lost NO ONE. Not their family and/or friends. (There were some family/friends in other states that were lost but they had no contact with them)

Sooo... Mr. Judge, Jury and Prosecutor. Do I have an apology? Or is the boomerang hypocrisy statement going to hit you.

Incidentally... we did close for 30 days until we were sure we weren't spreading the virus.

But you did spread the virus, didn't you?

I remember you saying that you got COVID yourself; apparently whatever measures you took weren't enough to stop the spread, were they?

Other churches responded to the pandemic in a responsible way: they moved their services online. You chose not to do this; how many lives did it cost?

(FYI - it's probably worth pointing out that I don't believe you when you say "none")

Nice side step God judges all, and not just followers of Jesus. So, if you talk the "love" talk, take care of pregnant women that have babies growing

Part of the care due to pregnant women is to give them the rights of a human being.

 

[Kenny]

But you did spread the virus, didn't you?

Nope. I quarantined when I got it.

I remember you saying that you got COVID yourself; apparently whatever measures you took weren't enough to stop the spread, were they?

Other churches responded to the pandemic in a responsible way: they moved their services online. You chose not to do this; how many lives did it cost?

(FYI - it's probably worth pointing out that I don't believe you when you say "none")

And just WHAT measures are good enough? You could be vaccinated and still get it, you can get it at Walmart, you can get it at a gas station. I got it at a home of a person... not at church. For all I know, you are a spreader and don't care who you spread it to. Please don't go to work or buy groceries!!!

It was nice how after I addressed you parameters, you moved the parameters and didn't apologize... what is that called?

It seems like in the measure you tried to judge me, you have been exposed and judged.

Part of the care due to pregnant women is to give them the rights of a human being.

Yes!! As does a baby in the womb... the rights of a human being.

"(FYI - it's probably worth pointing out that I don't believe you when you say "none")" - And you don't have to believe that there is gravity either - your belief or un-belief doesn't change the facts.

Interesting point... you weren't excited that no one died.

 

[metis]

You could be vaccinated and still get it, you can get it at Walmart,

If I go to Walmart, I deserve to get it!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Nope. I quarantined when I got it.

As soon as you got it, or once you were aware that you got it?

People can transmit the virus before symptoms begin.

And just WHAT measures are good enough?

I told you: move services online.

You could be vaccinated and still get it, you can get it at Walmart, you can get it at a gas station.

Where do you live that you havs to go inside a Walmart or gas station?

Curbside pickup and pay-at-the-pump exist.

I got it at a home of a person... not at church.

I don't believe that you know for sure where you got it. Especially not if you were meeting indoors at an anti-vaxxer church.

 

[Kenny]

"(FYI - it's probably worth pointing out that I don't believe you when you say "none")" - And you don't have to believe that there is gravity either - your belief or un-belief doesn't change the facts.

Interesting point... you weren't excited that no one died.

This is worth saying again. No "great decision to spend thousands on three machine, so glad you had social distancing and masks, what a great group of people that were so interested in people's well being they actually disinfected every chair and went and cleaned the bathroom every time someone used it.

Yes... it seems like you would really rejoice if you could say "SEE, someone died on your watch, you are GUILTY"... Can't understand why... we rejoice when a good report is given

but, alas, that isn't the case here

I don't believe that you know for sure where you got it. Especially not if you were meeting indoors at an anti-vaxxer church.

You may not think so and certainly your viewpoint can be whatever you want it to be... however, I know.

Where do you live that you havs to go inside a Walmart or gas station?


Curbside pickup and pay-at-the-pump exist.

Why don't you ask the millions and millions and millions who did? Even those with masks and vaccined still do.

I told you: move services online.

And... who are you?

Thank you for the apology?