Christians be honest with yourselves. (Christians only)

[Johnlove]

Ok. Doesn't refute my point. At all.

Still doesn't refute my point. Not all followers believe your message, because you have no authority to preach it.

Uh huh. While Jesus is God, I doubt you've seen him. Your theological stance is just to narrow for that to be true.

Again you ignore the written Word of God.


(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”


Notice Jesus said those who love him keep his Word.


(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”


Jesus told us that those who keep his commandments would see him.


John said anyone who sins has never seen Jesus nor knows Jesus.


(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.”


Also Jesus said he would call his own out by name, and they would follow him.

He said his people would recognize his voice. Jesus has called me by name, and he has been personally teaching me for forty years.


(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

So yes God’s people do see him.

 

[sojourner]

So you are saying that scripture has it wrong?

I'm saying that scripture either contradicts itself, or appears to do so when bits are taken out of context. That's why your interpretive theological stance is predicated on too narrow a base.

Also you need to understand that Jesus is God, and God is the law giver, and the law enforcer.

So? Jesus is also fully human.

Jesus told us to love our enemies. He did not give us authority to punish our enemies.

Too narrow an interpretation. The Law you just said Jesus followed (and, indeed, are enjoining us to follow -- and that "comes from God") does allow for us to punish enemies of that Law.

 

[sojourner]

Again you ignore the written Word of God.

Notice Jesus said those who love him keep his Word.

You, too are "ignoring the written word of God," because that word also says that all people sin. Read the Psalms, written by followers, for followers to sing.

Jesus told us that those who keep his commandments would see him.

That, by no means, if proof that you have seen Jesus. Unless, of course, you can prove that you've never sinned, and that the bit of text you've cited trumps all other texts.

Also Jesus said he would call his own out by name, and they would follow him.

He said his people would recognize his voice. Jesus has called me by name, and he has been personally teaching me for forty years.

Prove it.

So yes God’s people do see him.

Yet, the texts also say that no one has ever seen God. Which is right? And why?

 

[Johnlove]

You, too are "ignoring the written word of God," because that word also says that all people sin. Read the Psalms, written by followers, for followers to sing.

That, by no means, if proof that you have seen Jesus. Unless, of course, you can prove that you've never sinned, and that the bit of text you've cited trumps all other texts.

Prove it.

Yet, the texts also say that no one has ever seen God. Which is right? And why?

You, too are "ignoring the written word of God," because that word also says that all people sin. Read the Psalms, written by followers, for followers to sing.

In the Old Law all people sinned, because Jesus had not yet come to defeat Satan/sin.


(1 John 3:8) “Whoever lives sinfully belongs to the devil, since thedevilhas been a sinner from the beginning. This was the purpose of the appearing of the Son of God, to undo the work of the devil.”


There is no way man can stop from sinning unless he is given the Holy Spirit.


(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”

Too narrow an interpretation. The Law you just said Jesus followed (and, indeed, are enjoining us to follow -- and that "comes from God") does allow for us to punish enemies of that Law.

If you will read scripture you will find that Paul said the Law was for sinners. Spiritual Christians do not sin and do not need any law.


A Christian is not of, or part of the world. The world needs law, and it needs law enforcers.


Also people who don’t care to live God’s Word will always find a way to be able to disregard what Jesus said.

 

[Johnlove]

Yet, the texts also say that no one has ever seen God. Which is right? And why?

If you will read scripture you will find that Paul said the Law was for sinners. Spiritual Christians do not sin and do not need any law.


A Christian is not of, or part of the world. The world needs law, and it needs law enforcers.


Also people who don’t care to live God’s Word will always find a way to be able to disregard what Jesus said.


Jesus told us if we see him we have seen the Father.


(John 14: 8-10) “Philip said, 'Lord, show us the Father and then we shall be satisfied.' Jesus said to him,'Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? 'Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father, so how can you say, "Show us the Father"? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? What I say to you I do not speak of my own accord: it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his works.”

 

[sojourner]

In the Old Law all people sinned, because Jesus had not yet come to defeat Satan/sin.

Satan is not present in the Hebrew texts.

There is no way man can stop from sinning unless he is given the Holy Spirit.

Even then, the H.S. does not trump human will.

If you will read scripture you will find that Paul said the Law was for sinners. Spiritual Christians do not sin and do not need any law.

They do sin. Jesus didn't come to abolish the Law. Apparently, Xtians do need the Law.

A Christian is not of, or part of the world.

We are human beings, formed of the dust of the earth. I'd say that pretty much makes us part of the world. When Jesus was resurrected and appeared to his disciples, the first thing he did was to ask for something to eat.

Also people who don’t care to live God’s Word will always find a way to be able to disregard what Jesus said.

Again: not cogent to the argument.

 

[sojourner]

If you will read scripture you will find that Paul said the Law was for sinners. Spiritual Christians do not sin and do not need any law.

Yah, I heard you the first time. This doesn't address the question: which is right?

Jesus told us if we see him we have seen the Father.

You really don't like to actually address the questions and points, do you. You'd rather simply spout your little bible verses and tout your entitlement.
Yes, it says that. But the texts also have Jesus say, "No one has seen the Father." Which. One. Is. Right? It's gotta be one or the other. Either we have, or we have not.

 

[Greta]

Watch this, you arrogant ****s. This is all the proof god isn't real.