Christians' destructive rage against Paganism

[Estro Felino]

This thread is dedicated to all the damages done by the iconoclasm and the destructive rage that early Christians developped against all that was pagan and polytheistic.
It was something that destroyed, I guess the 80% of the cultural heritage of that time, if we think of statues, temples, shrines.

1. The most fulgid example was the temple of Artemis in Ephesus. Ephesus was one of the very first Christian communities and had this magnificent temple, with high columns. It was destroyed by the Eastern Roman Empire, which enabled a zero tolerance towards Paganism, in the V century.
This is the before and after:

 

[Sand Dancer]

Such a shame. It was a lovely building.

 

[1213]

1. The most fulgid example was the temple of Artemis in Ephesus. Ephesus was one of the very first Christian communities and had this magnificent temple, with high columns. It was destroyed by the Eastern Roman Empire, which enabled a zero tolerance towards Paganism, in the V century.
This is the before and after:

I think it is interesting, how do we know what it looked like, when it is that destroyed. I also would like to know, how do we know it was because of Christianity?

 

[Thorbert]

Reading news like this doesn't even make you want to be a Chrestian.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think it is interesting, how do we know what it looked like, when it is that destroyed. I also would like to know, how do we know it was because of Christianity?

It's the ancient source who reveal us it was a Christian archbishop. In the meantime, the Roman Empire had been split in two. In the Eastern part, where Byzantium is, they were incredibly intolerant towards all that was considered pagan and polytheistic.
Destroying temples was some sort of purification rite.

Temple of Artemis: Destruction of the Temple - Ephesian

Delve into the tragic history of the Temple of Artemis and its destruction. Learn about the ancient events that led to the downfall of this masterpiece.

ephesiantourism.com

 

[PureX]

When religious beliefs become a tool of political power, factions will try to eliminate the competition.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

1. The most fulgid example was the temple of Artemis in Ephesus. Ephesus was one of the very first Christian communities and had this magnificent temple, with high columns. It was destroyed by the Eastern Roman Empire, which enabled a zero tolerance towards Paganism, in the V century.
This is the before and after:

1. The earliest version of the temple (a Bronze Age temenos) antedated the Ionic immigration by many years. Callimachus, in his Hymn to Artemis, attributed it to the Amazons. In the 7th century BC, it was destroyed by a flood. [source]

2. Its reconstruction, in more grandiose form, began around 550 BC, under Chersiphron, the Cretan architect, and his son Metagenes. The project was funded by Croesus of Lydia, and took 10 years to complete. This version of the temple was destroyed in 356 BC by an arsonist.[ibid][

3. In 268 AD, according to Jordanes,[27] a raid by the Goths, under their leaders "Respa, Veduc, and Thurar",Temple of Artemis - Wikipedia[c] "laid waste many populous cities and set fire to the renowned temple of Diana at Ephesus."[27] The extent and severity of the damage are unknown; the temple may have lain derelict until its official closure during the persecution of pagans in the late Roman Empire,[29] Ammonius of Alexandria comments on its closure, perhaps as early as 407 CE,[29] or no later than the mid 5th century. After closure and after the city had become Christian, the name of Artemis appears to have been erased from inscriptions throughout Ephesus.[29] [ibid]

Where is the "Christians' destructive rage against Paganism"?

 

[Estro Felino]

When religious beliefs become a tool of political power, factions will try to eliminate the competition.

Fanaticism.

 

[PureX]

Fanaticism.

No, politics.

 

[Estro Felino]

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Where is the "Christians' destructive rage against Paganism"?

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[Jayhawker Soule]

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I read it. You should as well.

 

[Estro Felino]

I read it. You should as well.

The Goths set the Temple on fire. A temple of stone isn't destroyed by fire. It can be repaired, and in fact they must have repaired it.
It was John Chrysostom that destroyed the temple, and only a huge pile of debris remained.
Debris that were re-used to build cities by the Turks.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The Goths set the Temple on fire. A temple of stone isn't destroyed by fire. It can be repaired, and in fact they must have repaired it.
It was John Chrysostom that destroyed the temple, and only a huge pile of debris remained.
Debris that were re-used to build cities by the Turks.

From your source [emphasis added]:

Cyril of Alexandria attributed the temple’s destruction to Archbishop John Chrysostom, while Archbishop Proclus mentioned John’s accomplishments in Ephesus. However, there is limited evidence to support these claims. Some of the stone from the abandoned temple was repurposed for other constructions, although a medieval legend falsely claims that columns in the Hagia Sophia were taken from the Temple of Artemis.​

The two bits of apparent "destructive rage" seem to be that of the Goths and that suggested by your confirmation bias.

 

[Soandso]

This thread is dedicated to all the damages done by the iconoclasm and the destructive rage that early Christians developped against all that was pagan and polytheistic.

Early Christians? I think this is a theme that has never really abated at all

Native American Boarding Schools: A Lost History

For decades, many American Indian children were forced to attend government-funded boarding schools designed to sever Native cultures, languages and traditions.

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It does not escape him that 120 years ago, on the very soil he stands on, speaking this language was forbidden and punished.
“Cultural genocide,” said Desrosiers. “One of the main goals was to assimilate and exterminate the Indian within.”
He's talking about an era of Indian boarding schools. Desrosiers’s mother and uncles attended them in their youth, schools that he says created childhood trauma and a broken family structure later in life.

“She didn't really know how to express or love,” Desrosiers said about his mother. “That all came from what she experienced as a child. All her brothers became alcoholics. They died alcoholics. Tragic deaths.”

After 215 children's bodies were discovered in a mass grave at the Kamloops Indian Residential School in Canada last summer, a reckoning with America's boarding school past awoke.

And just so we are clear:

Christine Diindiisi McCleave, CEO of the National Native American Boarding School Healing Coalition based in Minneapolis, had two generations of relatives that survived boarding schools. She explains how President Ulysses Grant gave federal money to churches at first to start these schools.

“He figured they would not be corrupt with those funds,” said Diindiisi McCleave. “So that is what opened the door to federally funded, church-run Indian boarding schools.”

It was very much a Christian fueled endeavor

 

[Estro Felino]

From your source [emphasis added]:

Cyril of Alexandria attributed the temple’s destruction to Archbishop John Chrysostom, while Archbishop Proclus mentioned John’s accomplishments in Ephesus. However, there is limited evidence to support these claims. Some of the stone from the abandoned temple was repurposed for other constructions, although a medieval legend falsely claims that columns in the Hagia Sophia were taken from the Temple of Artemis.​

The two bits of apparent "destructive rage" seem to be that of the Goths and that suggested by your confirmation bias.

The Parthenon of Athens survived hundreds of arsons throughout the millennia. I would like to understand why the Goths' arson was supposed to incinerate a temple which was much higher than the Parthenon.

You destroy a temple by making it collapse: you need hundreds of men to make the hundreds of columns collapse.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You destroy a temple by making it collapse: you need hundreds of men to make the hundreds of columns collapse.

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Thanks for sharing. Now let us know why you are railing against "Christians' destructive rage" based solely on claims supported by "limited evidence."​

</yawn>

 

[Quintessence]

While in some ways I appreciate the sentiment, It's my strong preference to express dedication to positive events and ideals rather than constantly showcase the ugly. We could spend our entire lifetimes rehashing how disgusting the human species is, but that sure isn't going to be great for us living our lives with beauty and peace in the now, is it?

 

[Estro Felino]

While in some ways I appreciate the sentiment, It's my strong preference to express dedication to positive events and ideals rather than constantly showcase the ugly. We could spend our entire lifetimes rehashing how disgusting the human species is, but that sure isn't going to be great for us living our lives with beauty and peace in the now, is it?

Beauty is Truth.
Christians then built the cathedrals...the Vatican, Notre-Dame.
but that doesn't mean we shouldn't remember that moment of history where fanaticism and intolerance prevailed.
In no passage from the Gospel it is written: "persecute the Pagans".
It was something that needs to be condemned.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Beauty is Truth.

No, beauty is beauty.

 

[Bear Wild]

Early Christians? I think this is a theme that has never really abated at all

Native American Boarding Schools: A Lost History

For decades, many American Indian children were forced to attend government-funded boarding schools designed to sever Native cultures, languages and traditions.

www.kare11.com

It does not escape him that 120 years ago, on the very soil he stands on, speaking this language was forbidden and punished.
“Cultural genocide,” said Desrosiers. “One of the main goals was to assimilate and exterminate the Indian within.”
He's talking about an era of Indian boarding schools. Desrosiers’s mother and uncles attended them in their youth, schools that he says created childhood trauma and a broken family structure later in life.

“She didn't really know how to express or love,” Desrosiers said about his mother. “That all came from what she experienced as a child. All her brothers became alcoholics. They died alcoholics. Tragic deaths.”

After 215 children's bodies were discovered in a mass grave at the Kamloops Indian Residential School in Canada last summer, a reckoning with America's boarding school past awoke.

And just so we are clear:

Christine Diindiisi McCleave, CEO of the National Native American Boarding School Healing Coalition based in Minneapolis, had two generations of relatives that survived boarding schools. She explains how President Ulysses Grant gave federal money to churches at first to start these schools.

“He figured they would not be corrupt with those funds,” said Diindiisi McCleave. “So that is what opened the door to federally funded, church-run Indian boarding schools.”

It was very much a Christian fueled endeavor

Sadly they keep finding graves of children associated with these schools. It was pure cultural genocide has well as human.