Christians: How do you know Lucifer is evil?

[HekaMa'atRa]

you're asking about witchcraft, the knights templar and the lgbt community

I brought up the witch trials to illustrate the false accusations, religious ignorance, and ulterior motives involved in the Templar case. You believing the men of that order committed those acts is like you believing those women were killed for being real satan-based witches.

baphomet exists. the bisexual/transgender connection exists

I won't debate if baphomet exists. I will say a connection doesn't exist between baphomet and transgender/bisexual people or at least you didn't provide any evidence for that notion.

do you feel sorry at all for the knights templar who were tempted to sin and lie?

do you feel sorry for alse* or alice or alse or are their sins all different?

Do I feel bad for a people who were tortured to lie about what they were doing only to end up executed? Obviously. I feel even more bad that you're demonizing a people for something they didn't do, something they were also against, based on a conspiracy.

 

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Do I feel bad for a people who were tortured to lie about what they were doing only to end up executed?

if you know they were tortured to lie about what they were doing only to end up executed, then you know the whole truth of our lives.

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all right. you want to know how the book of Exodus has anything to do with two real historic events that deal with torture, false accusations, religious ignorance.

do you know ari fridkis? ari is a reformist rabbi of the best kind of rabbi in the world. he's gay, that's what someone told me before she recommended him as my therapist. ari is man who knows god in the best way possible because he is so devout. he has seen god in the daytime of our lives and the nighttime of our dreams. he was in new york the last time i saw him and walking the narrow path of a tikkun cleric who believed that all people should know god in the two times of the one time of our time in the best time. ari always said that to be the best man you had to know how to swim with the best people and he taught swimming by setting the ground on fire. did you ever meet him? you must have met people like him in the middle east because his people are everywhere. nobody remembers him better than i do. he was the best therapist because he told me to remember him even on the sabbath, although it was not the best time to think of him in the naked hour of our lives. that's why i remember him so well and that's how the Book of Exodus is linked to real historical events.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

it is a way of life, a transgender bisexual life for those who are not naturally either. baphomet, the transgender of bisexuals, is the way of life of true luciferians according to those who know. they take transgenderizing drugs and have ritual sex.

Facepalms won't work. Bashing my head in a wall will either leave no walls standing or my head a pile of mush.
There is no link between being transgender and Luciferian. Many transgender and transsexual people are even Christian.
Please stop spreading your ignorant and educated rubbish. You know nothing of what you speak. You have been corrected many times, yet you still use terms like "transgenderizing drugs," which demonstrates how little you know.

 

[Neo Deist]

from the king james version 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

that means that god did his good stuff and is responsible for satan's bad stuff too. correct?

It is a little bit deeper than that, but yes. If you look closely at the Bible and read every passage about Satan, you will find that he is powerless to act without God's permission. This is clearly evident in the Book of Job. God sets the rules for Job's testing. As a matter of fact, it was God that brought up Job for testing, not Satan.

Christianity has made Satan out to be the evil arch enemy #1, always working against God, but if God is the all powerful creator, why doesn't He just snap those divine fingers and uncreate Satan?

 

[HekaMa'atRa]

if you know they were tortured to lie about what they were doing only to end up executed, then you know the whole truth of our lives.

No, I just know what historians and archeologists tells us through their analysis of historical documents. And why do you keep reposting that text about the exodus myth and some rabbi you know...

 

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Who is ''lucifer''?

Isn't Jesu called ''lucifer'', in the Bible?

Was the translator of those verses a non-Xian?

alice was the best baphomet who is jesu in the life of a chanel compact now turned satanic.

 

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Christianity has made Satan out to be the evil arch enemy #1, always working against God, but if God is the all powerful creator, why doesn't He just snap those divine fingers and uncreate Satan?

because he created good, so bad comes with it automatically. he cannot uncreate what is necessary to balance what he creates.

 

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And why do you keep reposting that text about the exodus myth and some rabbi you know...

because the rabbi is a man of the cloth in our lives who knows all about god and satan and who taught the best lessons for writing about god and satan.

 

[HekaMa'atRa]

because the rabbi is a man of the cloth in our lives who knows all about god and satan and who taught the best lessons for writing about god and satan.

Yes, I read it the first time and told you I didn't understand how it related and made little sense. Three posts later it still doesn't make sense, still doesn't relate to the exodus myth, or the conversation we were having.

 

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Yes, I read it the first time and told you I didn't understand how it related and made little sense. Three posts later it still doesn't make sense, still doesn't relate to the exodus myth, or the conversation we were having.

ari fridkis's reformist judaic sect includes the witches of salem and so he represents them in god's world on riverside.

 

[HekaMa'atRa]

ari fridkis's reformist judaic sect includes the witches of salem and so he represents them in god's world on riverside.

If I understood what that meant I might have an opinion. Otherwise, good to know.... I guess?

 

[Yoshua]

It is a little bit deeper than that, but yes. If you look closely at the Bible and read every passage about Satan, you will find that he is powerless to act without God's permission. This is clearly evident in the Book of Job. God sets the rules for Job's testing. As a matter of fact, it was God that brought up Job for testing, not Satan.

Christianity has made Satan out to be the evil arch enemy #1, always working against God, but if God is the all powerful creator, why doesn't He just snap those divine fingers and uncreate Satan?

Hi Deist,

God created them having free-will same as human having a free-will.
2 Tim. 2:26
26. and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

But God will do something to stop Satan.
Rev. 20:10
10. and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Thanks

 

[Neo Deist]

because he created good, so bad comes with it automatically. he cannot uncreate what is necessary to balance what he creates.

He is God. I am pretty sure He can do whatever the hell He wants to.

 

[Neo Deist]

Hi Deist,

God created them having free-will same as human having a free-will.
2 Tim. 2:26
26. and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

But God will do something to stop Satan.
Rev. 20:10
10. and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Thanks

I'll play along...

Which verse states that angels have free will? Don't quote some verse that has to be stretched and interpreted as such. Give me the actual verse.

Next, where do you get the idea that Satan is the devil? Ignore your English translation for a second and go study these key words:

ha-satan (Hebrew)
diabolos (Greek)

You will find that both refer to the concept of an accuser/adversary...not the evil arch enemy boogeyman. Fictional works such as Dante's Inferno and Paradise Lost have many people confused over the image of a devil.

I am not sure which god you believe in, but my God is all powerful. If He wanted to destroy/uncreate "Satan," He could do so...since He is the creator of all. God does not need human help in defining what He must or will do, especially based on some ancient scrolls written in a time and cultural period that had very little scientific or medical knowledge.

 

[Yoshua]

I'll play along...

Which verse states that angels have free will? Don't quote some verse that has to be stretched and interpreted as such. Give me the actual verse.

Next, where do you get the idea that Satan is the devil? Ignore your English translation for a second and go study these key words:

ha-satan (Hebrew)
diabolos (Greek)

You will find that both refer to the concept of an accuser/adversary...not the evil arch enemy boogeyman. Fictional works such as Dante's Inferno and Paradise Lost have many people confused over the image of a devil.

I am not sure which god you believe in, but my God is all powerful. If He wanted to destroy/uncreate "Satan," He could do so...since He is the creator of all. God does not need human help in defining what He must or will do, especially based on some ancient scrolls written in a time and cultural period that had very little scientific or medical knowledge.

Hi Deist,

If you know how to understand what the Scriptures said, you would not seek for a direct statement that you like. Logically, they have a freewill and not a puppet as stated below that he like to ascend into heaven and exalt himself.

Isa. 14:12
12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

2 Cor. 11:14
14. And no marvel; for Satan (adversary) himself is transformed into an angel of light. You may used "adversary."

1 Peter 5:8
8. Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil (diabolos), as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

There will be no problem with that, if those are the true meaning. So, what is your position or belief regarding the devil? Are they the enemy of God?

Thanks

 

[Neo Deist]

Hi Deist,

If you know how to understand what the Scriptures said, you would not seek for a direct statement that you like. Logically, they have a freewill and not a puppet as stated below that he like to ascend into heaven and exalt himself.

There will be no problem with that, if those are the true meaning. So, what is your position or belief regarding the devil? Are they the enemy of God?

Thanks

In other words, you can't answer the question because we both know the verse does not exist. It is a man made assumption. I am 40 years old and spent the first 30 years as a Baptist. For the last 10 years I have been studying theology in depth, and have actually tried to learn Hebrew, Greek and Latin. My native tongue is English.

My belief about the devil is that there is no such thing as this invisible boogeyman, that goes around tempting people to sin, and is the arch enemy of God. If God wanted to get rid of this "Satan" then all He would have to do is snap His divine fingers. That is what it means to be all powerful...which is my belief about God as the creator.

The exaggerated stories about Satan and demons comes from man's desire to have good vs. evil, black vs. white.

There is a big difference between a biblical teaching and a traditional one. Far too often people quote traditional teachings without actually knowing what the Bible says. They assume it is in the Bible because they have heard it repeated so much, but when asked "what verse" they don't have a clue.

Besides, as to free will of the angels, that can't be since God's will is done in heaven (see the Lord's Prayer, Matthew 6:9-13), not their's. It also means that "Satan" can't rebel of his own free will, unless you want to contradict that God's will is done.

 

[Yoshua]

In other words, you can't answer the question because we both know the verse does not exist. It is a man made assumption. I am 40 years old and spent the first 30 years as a Baptist. For the last 10 years I have been studying theology in depth, and have actually tried to learn Hebrew, Greek and Latin. My native tongue is English.

My belief about the devil is that there is no such thing as this invisible boogeyman, that goes around tempting people to sin, and is the arch enemy of God. If God wanted to get rid of this "Satan" then all He would have to do is snap His divine fingers. That is what it means to be all powerful...which is my belief about God as the creator.

The exaggerated stories about Satan and demons comes from man's desire to have good vs. evil, black vs. white.

There is a big difference between a biblical teaching and a traditional one. Far too often people quote traditional teachings without actually knowing what the Bible says. They assume it is in the Bible because they have heard it repeated so much, but when asked "what verse" they don't have a clue.

Besides, as to free will of the angels, that can't be since God's will is done in heaven (see the Lord's Prayer, Matthew 6:9-13), not their's. It also means that "Satan" can't rebel of his own free will, unless you want to contradict that God's will is done.

Hi Deist,

I can relate with what you just said, same as what I'm into now with the contemplative teachings forum. They focus more on experience rather than the Scriptures,
some of them totally discarded the Scriptures, and have doubt in it.

I go for the in-depth study and love theology, and that is good to hear from you studying Hebrew, Greek and Latin.

Nice meeting you, and hope we can meet again. Bro.

Thanks