Christians! Now which Mosaic Laws are still in force for you?

[Kenny]

It's time that I found out about this. One Christian might mention a law and quote from the Mosaic books, another could dismiss the same law but feel strong about other ones. Some of the more extreme Christians seem to want a Theistic Monarchy leading a Police State (oh yes!) whilst others focus upon love and understanding as the main message of Jesus. The range of tenets that fall under the title of Christianity are legion, I think.

And I cannot tie any of it down! Like willow-the-wisps some Christians will pick up and drop Mosaic Laws at whim (it seems) whilst totally disregarding the ones that others have greatest respect for.
So...... please...... Can you help with this?

To start off, let's pick any one Mosaic law ...... this was chosen by my wife by opening early pages of the bible and placing her finger down until eventually there was a law underneath, and so fate decided this one:-

Deut {24:5} When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business:[but] he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

OK..... So..... how many Christian business folks have a one-year paid leave (or leave of absence) scheme for their employee brides and/or grooms? If not, why not?

Christians aren't under the Mosaic law, the are under the Abrahamic Covenant.

That being said, "Love God and Love your neighbor as yourself" will pretty much cover everything.

PS... Can I make up for the 1 year lost of just knowing my wife and not having to work?

 

[Darkforbid]

Christians aren't under the Mosaic law, the are under the Abrahamic Covenant.

That being said, "Love God and Love your neighbor as yourself" will pretty much cover everything.

PS... Can I make up for the 1 year lost of just knowing my wife and not having to work?

How would that cover the ones I hear most from atheists: shellfish and mixed fibres

 

[oldbadger]

Well so far you've had replies from three Catholics and one Protestant. You probably need a more representative sample before drawing conclusions.

But I think I begin to see where you may be going with this - and if I'm right you have my full support.

The only 'drive' within me is the yes/no do/don't this-counts/that-doesn't responses that some Christians can offer in various discussions and debates.

I don't have a fixed agenda, but will follow the responses here.

Let's see how it goes, and thank you again for your input.

 

[Kenny]

How would that cover the ones I hear most from atheists: shellfish and mixed fibres

Back then we didn't have the knowledge of today... even today you can die from eating shellfish.

But atheists will try to use just about anything including mixed fibers

 

[oldbadger]

Modern day Christians are not Jews. So, technically, there is no reason for any Christian to feel beholding to any Jewish religious law or practice. Jesus was a Jew, and was preaching mostly to Jews, so he admonished his followers to maintain their Judaic practices, and did so himself. But that was then, and we are not Jesus (a Jew). Also, back then, as now, Jews did and do not believe that non-Jews need to convert or to follow Judaic laws or ideals to find association with God. So there is just no logical reason for modern day Christians to presume they must follow any Jewish religious proscriptions.

Can I assume from your post that Christians, or your kind of Christians, do not have to follow what Jesus said?

 

[oldbadger]

I would say:

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet," [TR adds "You shall not give false testimony,"] and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 13:8-10

By doing so person fulfills God’s law and that is enough.

Thankyou for your post.
Can I take it from the above quote that you tend to take Paul's words before those of Jesus? Would that be right?

 

[Darkforbid]

Back then we didn't have the knowledge of today... even today you can die from eating shellfish.

But atheists will try to use just about anything including mixed fibers

Yep, that what I mean. I personally don't think the golden rule is a catch all

 

[oldbadger]

The entire Bible is in complete effect for any thinking follower of the Lord.
As for Christianity, your guess is as good as mine. You already have your answer to that one.

Regarding your specific ‘law’, that you allegedly chose at random, I doubt you’ll find 100 Christians in the world, that know that one. And the ones that do, will most likely not see it’s spiritual meaning, and therefore they will turn it into whatever they desire. Similar to what they do to most of what is in the Bible.

I like your 'Love and Truth' motto beside your Avatar.

Well, yes, I have found that some Christians can turn many quotations of Jesus and others in to almost any meaning that they need.
Others can be of high integrity, of course.

 

[oldbadger]

If you read this thread, you will see a remarkable degree of consistency in the replies.

The above sent to another.
Yes.... so far the responses are consistent.

If this continues then I will have discovered exactly how to answer those who chuck Mosaic Laws about!

But at the same time I am sad, because the beautiful laws are disguarded as well. Example:-
Deuteronomy
{15:7} If there be among you a poor man of one of thy
brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the
LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine
heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother:

 

[BilliardsBall]

It's time that I found out about this. One Christian might mention a law and quote from the Mosaic books, another could dismiss the same law but feel strong about other ones. Some of the more extreme Christians seem to want a Theistic Monarchy leading a Police State (oh yes!) whilst others focus upon love and understanding as the main message of Jesus. The range of tenets that fall under the title of Christianity are legion, I think.

And I cannot tie any of it down! Like willow-the-wisps some Christians will pick up and drop Mosaic Laws at whim (it seems) whilst totally disregarding the ones that others have greatest respect for.
So...... please...... Can you help with this?

To start off, let's pick any one Mosaic law ...... this was chosen by my wife by opening early pages of the bible and placing her finger down until eventually there was a law underneath, and so fate decided this one:-

Deut {24:5} When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business:[but] he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

OK..... So..... how many Christian business folks have a one-year paid leave (or leave of absence) scheme for their employee brides and/or grooms? If not, why not?

The government of the USA had a deferred draft for one-year marrieds, at least until WWII, I believe, and like all God's laws, it has either direct benefit (good law) or teaching/learning benefit (good law)!

 

[Deeje]

It's time that I found out about this. One Christian might mention a law and quote from the Mosaic books, another could dismiss the same law but feel strong about other ones. Some of the more extreme Christians seem to want a Theistic Monarchy leading a Police State (oh yes!) whilst others focus upon love and understanding as the main message of Jesus. The range of tenets that fall under the title of Christianity are legion, I think.

And I cannot tie any of it down! Like willow-the-wisps some Christians will pick up and drop Mosaic Laws at whim (it seems) whilst totally disregarding the ones that others have greatest respect for.
So...... please...... Can you help with this?

To start off, let's pick any one Mosaic law ...... this was chosen by my wife by opening early pages of the bible and placing her finger down until eventually there was a law underneath, and so fate decided this one:-

Deut {24:5} When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business:[but] he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

OK..... So..... how many Christian business folks have a one-year paid leave (or leave of absence) scheme for their employee brides and/or grooms? If not, why not?

Jesus said he did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. (Matthew 5:17-18) Right from the first prophesy in Genesis 3:15 until he gave his life, God was guiding humans in the way they should go.


Many of the laws given to Israel pertained to their worship (sacrifices, festivals etc) other parts governed their morality, their food and the method of preparation (how to slaughter an animal and prohibitions placed on certain creatures) and their clothing identifying them as Jews.

The law that was chosen at random by your wife demonstrated how important a new marriage was to God. For the first year of marriage a man was to devote to building his relationship with his wife (often chosen for him). Both would benefit from this provision.

All of God's laws had valid reasons behind them, the principles of which are still valid today in many ways. Remember that Jesus castigated the Pharisees for enforcing 'the letter of the Law' whilst ignoring 'the spirit' behind it. Though the letter of the Law may not be enforced today, the spirit behind it still indicates God's thinking on the matter. That is how JW's see it.

What do all of those laws teach us about God?

 

[oldbadger]

The 10 commandments are still pretty accurate to me.

OK.
Fair enough.

But would you follow Leviticus 7:26 ?
Many Jehovah's Witnesses have quote that verse to me over the matter of blood transfusions, you know.

So, please, would you like to add any (other) Mosaic laws to your 10 Commandments?

 

[oldbadger]

Except when it suits them to cherry pick and rail, moralize and legislate against anything same sex. And if one were even to invoke Paul in Romans and Corinthians, he’s basing his diatribes on the Mosaic Law. And given that Jesus himself said that “until Heaven and Earth pass away not one jot or tittle would be stricken from the Law”. Seems many Christians want their cake and eat it too when they should be on diets.

Thank you for your post.

Well, yrs...... but I am intending to come at all this slightly more gently than you.

But your right, of course.

 

[Deeje]

OK.
Fair enough.

But would you follow Leviticus 7:26 ?
Many Jehovah's Witnesses have quote that verse to me over the matter of blood transfusions, you know.

So, please, would you like to add any (other) Mosaic laws to your 10 Commandments?

If I may.....
Since the law on blood was given three time in the Bible, first to Noah, (Genesis 9:4) then it was incorporated into the law and it was reiterated to the Christians as a "necessary" thing for them. (Acts 15:28-29)

 

[PureX]

Can I assume from your post that Christians, or your kind of Christians, do not have to follow what Jesus said?

Jesus was talking to the Jews of his day. And for Jews, Judaism is the pathway to God. But for non-Jews, Judaism is not necessary. So when Jesus admonished his fellow Jews, of his day, to mind their religion (Judaism), he was not speaking to you or I, and he would not have been inferring you or I, because Jews then and now did not believe conversion was necessary for non-Jews to seek or to find God.

So I'm not sure what you think Jesus said regarding Jewish laws and traditions, that you should be following.

 

[oldbadger]

You have no idea what Paul is basing his doctrine on. You make assumptions, which are incorrect.

You don't like it, that's fine, that's your right.

You misquoted Christ, and took him out of context. He said the law wouldn't change "till all is fulfilled." All was fulfilled.

The law was given to Israel for Israel, the Jews. It was not given to the gentiles, it had no application to them. He was speaking to Jews.

The first covenant with Israel included their law.

The new covenant for Christians has it's law written in the NT. It eliminates most Jewish laws, modifies some, and reiterates some.

It is the law of Christ

Thankyou for your post.

Let me ask a fairly obvious question please?
Could you marry or sleep with your sister? No?
Please to show me where this law is shown?

I only know of Lev. 18:9 but want to learn.

 

[oldbadger]

Hello Terry.
Have you anything to offer about the thread title, please?

 

[exchemist]

Consistently wrong?

Consistency. As one of the contributors, I am hardly likely to post something that is NOT what I think Christians believe. Am I?

 

[oldbadger]

What would he be basing his diatribes on? He was an orthodox Jew until his "conversion".



OK, let's say you're right. Then how do you explain the "clobber passages"? Why those and no others?

I'm also interested to know why they have no strict laws about providing for the poor. Not by charity but by law.

 

[Darkforbid]

Thankyou for your post.

Let me ask a fairly obvious question please?
Could you marry or sleep with your sister? No?
Please to show me where this law is shown?

I only know of Lev. 18:9 but want to learn.

Try this link: 15 Important Bible Verses About Incest