Christians! Now which Mosaic Laws are still in force for you?

[oldbadger]

Christians aren't under the Mosaic law, the are under the Abrahamic Covenant.

That being said, "Love God and Love your neighbor as yourself" will pretty much cover everything.

PS... Can I make up for the 1 year lost of just knowing my wife and not having to work?

We are not dishing out free year's on this thread.
You've had it.

OK, so I shouldn't listen to Christians who quote Mosaic Laws at me.... true?

 

[exchemist]

The above sent to another.
Yes.... so far the responses are consistent.

If this continues then I will have discovered exactly how to answer those who chuck Mosaic Laws about!

But at the same time I am sad, because the beautiful laws are disguarded as well. Example:-
Deuteronomy
{15:7} If there be among you a poor man of one of thy
brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the
LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine
heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother:

On the contrary, Christ's second commandment handles that - while avoiding the tedious and questionable territorial claims, with which the OT is replete.

But I agree the language and poetic expression is much to be admired, as well as the sentiments. Nobody in this thread is saying the OT is irrelevant to the faith, but your question was very specific.

 

[oldbadger]

How would that cover the ones I hear most from atheists: shellfish and mixed fibres

Both were good laws, you know.

A whole bunch of folks could be wiped out in a few hours from eating shellfish if they were unlucky. Read about the most deadly infections in the World, such as Shellfish Poison Paralysis. Nasty.

And mixed fibres was probably about rank. In Britain we were banned from wearing certain clothes unless we were of suitable rank.

 

[Darkforbid]

I'm also interested to know why they have no strict laws about providing for the poor. Not by charity but by law.

• Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to act. Do not say to your neighbor, "Come back tomorrow and I’ll give it to you"—when you already have it with you. — Proverbs 3:27-28
• Those who give to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eyes to them receive many curses. — Proverbs 28:27
• Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke? Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter — when you see the naked, to clothe them, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?
• Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will quickly appear; then your righteousness will go before you, and the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard. Then you will call, and the Lord will answer; you will cry for help, and he will say: Here am I.
• If you do away with the yoke of oppression, with the pointing finger and malicious talk, and if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry and satisfy the needs of the oppressed, then your light will rise in the darkness, and your night will become like the noonday. The Lord will guide you always; he will satisfy your needs in a sun-scorched land and will strengthen your frame. You will be like a well-watered garden, like a spring whose waters never fail. — Isaiah 58:6-11
• Give generously to [the poor] and do so without a grudging heart, then because of this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to. There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land. — Deuteronomy 15:10-11

 

[oldbadger]

The government of the USA had a deferred draft for one-year marrieds, at least until WWII, I believe, and like all God's laws, it has either direct benefit (good law) or teaching/learning benefit (good law)!

I just wish I had got a year free with my wife.
Wrong religion, me.

 

[Darkforbid]

Both were good laws, you know.

A whole bunch of folks could be wiped out in a few hours from eating shellfish if they were unlucky. Read about the most deadly infections in the World, such as Shellfish Poison Paralysis. Nasty.

And mixed fibres was probably about rank. In Britain we were banned from wearing certain clothes unless we were of suitable rank.

See: cotton kills

Why does Cotton Kill? - Section Hikers Backpacking Blog

 

[exchemist]

I'm also interested to know why they have no strict laws about providing for the poor. Not by charity but by law.

Unlike Judaism, Christianity does not guide its adherents via explicit laws but by general principles. Though a lot of more explicit practices have grown up, in many branches of Christendom, derived by priests, rulers and others from these principles.

 

[oldbadger]

Jesus said he did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. (Matthew 5:17-18) Right from the first prophesy in Genesis 3:15 until he gave his life, God was guiding humans in the way they should go.


Many of the laws given to Israel pertained to their worship (sacrifices, festivals etc) other parts governed their morality, their food and the method of preparation (how to slaughter an animal and prohibitions placed on certain creatures) and their clothing identifying them as Jews.

The law that was chosen at random by your wife demonstrated how important a new marriage was to God. For the first year of marriage a man was to devote to building his relationship with his wife (often chosen for him). Both would benefit from this provision.

All of God's laws had valid reasons behind them, the principles of which are still valid today in many ways. Remember that Jesus castigated the Pharisees for enforcing 'the letter of the Law' whilst ignoring 'the spirit' behind it. Though the letter of the Law may not be enforced today, the spirit behind it still indicates God's thinking on the matter. That is how JW's see it.

What do all of those laws teach us about God?

Only 106 laws of the 613 covered sacrifice and ceremony.

Do JWs follow any others (507), please, apart from just the 10 commandments?

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

You have no idea what Paul is basing his doctrine on. You make assumptions, which are incorrect.

You don't like it, that's fine, that's your right.

You misquoted Christ, and took him out of context. He said the law wouldn't change "till all is fulfilled." All was fulfilled.

The law was given to Israel for Israel, the Jews. It was not given to the gentiles, it had no application to them. He was speaking to Jews.

The first covenant with Israel included their law.

The new covenant for Christians has it's law written in the NT. It eliminates most Jewish laws, modifies some, and reiterates some.

It is the law of Christ

It sounds like you got the ‘us’ and ‘them’ thing figgered out in your mind.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

I like your 'Love and Truth' motto beside your Avatar.

Well, yes, I have found that some Christians can turn many quotations of Jesus and others in to almost any meaning that they need.
Others can be of high integrity, of course.

For sure.

There are mean Christians and nice Christians.
There are mean everything else and nice everything else.
No group has a monopoly on either.

Well, except Republicans. (Umm, just kidding)

 

[Kenny]

We are not dishing out free year's on this thread.
You've had it.

OK, so I shouldn't listen to Christians who quote Mosaic Laws at me.... true?

You just RUINED my day! I was SOOO excited! But now my hopes are dashed you old badger you!

 

[Deeje]

Only 106 laws of the 613 covered sacrifice and ceremony.

Do JWs follow any others (507), please, apart from just the 10 commandments?

What was reiterated by Jesus? He upheld God's standards of morality, especially with regard to marriage and divorce. The sacrificial laws were fulfilled in him, and God had given Israel every opportunity to separate themselves from a religious system that had lost its way. (Mayhem 23)

Since Gentiles were not required to convert to Judaism, but to become disciples of Jesus Christ, through faith and confirmed by baptism, various facets of the law that applied to Israel were not incumbent on them. (No Sabbath, no food prohibition, (apart from consumption of blood) and no clothing rules apart from God's standards of modesty. Not following extreme worldly fashion trends)

It's just a common sense evaluation of what Jesus taught...not what a law code, instituted under an old covenant, dictated.

The new covenant was more concerned with why a person should obey the principles of the law that Jesus promoted, rather than strict adherence to laws with little thought as to why they were given.

 

[oldbadger]

Jesus said he did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. (Matthew 5:17-18) Right from the first prophesy in Genesis 3:15 until he gave his life, God was guiding humans in the way they should go.


Many of the laws given to Israel pertained to their worship (sacrifices, festivals etc) other parts governed their morality, their food and the method of preparation (how to slaughter an animal and prohibitions placed on certain creatures) and their clothing identifying them as Jews.

The law that was chosen at random by your wife demonstrated how important a new marriage was to God. For the first year of marriage a man was to devote to building his relationship with his wife (often chosen for him). Both would benefit from this provision.

All of God's laws had valid reasons behind them, the principles of which are still valid today in many ways. Remember that Jesus castigated the Pharisees for enforcing 'the letter of the Law' whilst ignoring 'the spirit' behind it. Though the letter of the Law may not be enforced today, the spirit behind it still indicates God's thinking on the matter. That is how JW's see it.

What do all of those laws teach us about God?

I am interested in what these laws teach us about God.

But this thread seeks to discover what laws various kinds of Christians actually follow.

Do you follow any laws of the Old Testament?

 

[oldbadger]

If I may.....
Since the law on blood was given three time in the Bible, first to Noah, (Genesis 9:4) then it was incorporated into the law and it was reiterated to the Christians as a "necessary" thing for them. (Acts 15:28-29)

OK. So.... do you take notice of all of these commands, or just the one in Acts?

Do you follow any OT laws, the Mosaic Laws?

 

[oldbadger]

Jesus was talking to the Jews of his day. And for Jews, Judaism is the pathway to God. But for non-Jews, Judaism is not necessary. So when Jesus admonished his fellow Jews, of his day, to mind their religion (Judaism), he was not speaking to you or I, and he would not have been inferring you or I, because Jews then and now did not believe conversion was necessary for non-Jews to seek or to find God.

So I'm not sure what you think Jesus said regarding Jewish laws and traditions, that you should be following.

I think I got your first post right then.
Since Jesus did not speak very much to non-Jews, can I take it that you don't take much notice of what he said?

I am a Deist but I do take interest in the Mosaic Laws and the Gospels.

 

[oldbadger]

Try this link: 15 Important Bible Verses About Incest

Thankyou for your link, which had nothing to offer about marrying sisters or sleeping with them, other than what was written in the Mosaic Laws.

Do you follow the Mosaic Laws, please?

 

[oldbadger]

You just RUINED my day! I was SOOO excited! But now my hopes are dashed you old badger you!

I didn't get a free year with pay either.
Deists don't get any fun!

 

[oldbadger]

What was reiterated by Jesus? He upheld God's standards of morality, especially with regard to marriage and divorce. The sacrificial laws were fulfilled in him, and God had given Israel every opportunity to separate themselves from a religious system that had lost its way. (Mayhem 23)

Since Gentiles were not required to convert to Judaism, but to become disciples of Jesus Christ, through faith and confirmed by baptism, various facets of the law that applied to Israel were not incumbent on them. (No Sabbath, no food prohibition, (apart from consumption of blood) and no clothing rules apart from God's standards of modesty. Not following extreme worldly fashion trends)

It's just a common sense evaluation of what Jesus taught...not what a law code, instituted under an old covenant, dictated.

The new covenant was more concerned with why a person should obey the principles of the law that Jesus promoted, rather than strict adherence to laws with little thought as to why they were given.

Thankyou for your post and comments.

I need your help with this.:-
Let me presume that marrying sisters is wrong, Yes?
Now, where is that clear law written in the bible for folks to be shown it?

There are so many laws, but that is just one.

 

[oldbadger]

On the contrary, Christ's second commandment handles that - while avoiding the tedious and questionable territorial claims, with which the OT is replete.

But I agree the language and poetic expression is much to be admired, as well as the sentiments. Nobody in this thread is saying the OT is irrelevant to the faith, but your question was very specific.

Hello again.
But my quote was from a command, a law, and not gentle guidance.
I notice that many wealthy Christians have written that they resent paying out for subsistence, education and health for the poor, you see. So guidance is not enough, it seems.

 

[oldbadger]

• Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to act. Do not say to your neighbor, "Come back tomorrow and I’ll give it to you"—when you already have it with you. — Proverbs 3:27-28
• Those who give to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eyes to them receive many curses. — Proverbs 28:27
• Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke? Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter — when you see the naked, to clothe them, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?
• Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will quickly appear; then your righteousness will go before you, and the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard. Then you will call, and the Lord will answer; you will cry for help, and he will say: Here am I.
• If you do away with the yoke of oppression, with the pointing finger and malicious talk, and if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry and satisfy the needs of the oppressed, then your light will rise in the darkness, and your night will become like the noonday. The Lord will guide you always; he will satisfy your needs in a sun-scorched land and will strengthen your frame. You will be like a well-watered garden, like a spring whose waters never fail. — Isaiah 58:6-11
• Give generously to [the poor] and do so without a grudging heart, then because of this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to. There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land. — Deuteronomy 15:10-11

Well quoted, and all from the Old Testament I notice.

Christians on this thread are saying that they don't follow Old Testament commands.
Indeed, some Christians have written that they do not want to pay for subsistence, education and health for the poor, so your quotes don't seem to cover Christian laws.