Christians: Why are “few” on the road to life?

[Yahcubs777]

If one reads verse 1 of Revelation then one will know Revelation is written in signs (word pictures) or 16 visions.
Not every word in Revelation is meant as literal.
The ' sea ' that is No more is Not the ' sea ' of Psalms 72:8.
Rather, it is the ' sea of wicked humanity ' that will be No more - Isaiah 57:20; Revelation 17:1; Revelation 17:15
So, the ' waters ' of Rev. 17 verses 1 and 15 are Not literal waters, but peoples.
Jerusalem above (<-Galatians 4:26) comes down in the sense of governing over Earth.
Please notice at Revelation 21:3 that the tabernacle or dwelling of God is with: MEN.
We find MEN as dwelling on Earth. Thy kingdom come (where ) ..... God's will be done on -> Earth.....
Thus, ' death ' will be No more on Earth, just as there is No death in Heaven.
' Enemy death ' will be No more on Earth -> 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8

Revelation 21, is when the earth is no longer a terrestrial planet. And in a celestial planet there is no sea, and no night time, no sun light, none of it. The terrestrial has packed up. And its written in the language of Prophets, not in symbols. It is the oceans. Water in this earth is not in its perfect state. Water in the Celestial is crystal waters. There is also no animals or fish in a celestial planet. You are far from understanding what the kingdom is.

 

[Yahcubs777]

I am wondering what you find 'celestial' about Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter _________________
I find earth's nations are located right here on Earth and 'healing' for earth's nations will be here on Earth as mentioned at Revelation 22:2.

isaiah 35 is speaking of this earth, not a celestial heavens world. Rev 22, is not this earth, it is a celestial planet. The 1000 years is in a celestial planet. And 1000 years is 1 day in heavens system of counting. When the end of this terrestrial comes, all of it shall pack up and the celestial will be installed. And only Celestial immortal beings will reign 1000 years with Father Adam, Mother Eve, and all the children of the kingdom that were resurrected when Jesus His Pre-Eminence resurrected HIMSELF, and resurrected them, and all of the children of the kingdom that were resurrected at the first resurrection, and all the children of life, that lived forever and did not die at all.

 

[filthyrottendirty]

How many of you read the bible for yourselves? What does Revelation say about the New Earth? Do you think that earth is terrestrial? Its written there black and white!

Rev 21

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Isaiah 45:18 says God made earth for people to live on.

For this is what the Lord says—
he who created the heavens,
he is God;
he who fashioned and made the earth,
he founded it;
he did not create it to be empty,
but formed it to be inhabited

 

[filthyrottendirty]

Revelation 21, is when the earth is no longer a terrestrial planet. And in a celestial planet there is no sea, and no night time, no sun light, none of it. The terrestrial has packed up. And its written in the language of Prophets, not in symbols. It is the oceans. Water in this earth is not in its perfect state. Water in the Celestial is crystal waters. There is also no animals or fish in a celestial planet. You are far from understanding what the kingdom is.

Where in the Bible is any of this mentioned? Source?

 

[filthyrottendirty]

isaiah 35 is speaking of this earth, not a celestial heavens world. Rev 22, is not this earth, it is a celestial planet. The 1000 years is in a celestial planet. And 1000 years is 1 day in heavens system of counting. When the end of this terrestrial comes, all of it shall pack up and the celestial will be installed. And only Celestial immortal beings will reign 1000 years with Father Adam, Mother Eve, and all the children of the kingdom that were resurrected when Jesus His Pre-Eminence resurrected HIMSELF, and resurrected them, and all of the children of the kingdom that were resurrected at the first resurrection, and all the children of life, that lived forever and did not die at all.

"isaiah 35 is speaking of this earth"

Then will the eyes of the blind be opened
and the ears of the deaf unstopped.
6 Then will the lame leap like a deer,
and the mute tongue shout for joy.
Water will gush forth in the wilderness
and streams in the desert.

When in the history of the planet has this ever happened?

 

[metis]

In regards to the OP, it seems that some are so much into political correctness about a name and numerous other minutia rather than on focusing in on Jesus' Two Commandments, such as what's covered in the Sermon On the Mount and Jesus' Parable of the Sheep & Goats. Following and obeying Jesus should be a lifestyle, thus not just word-games or other trivia.

 

[halbhh]

@halbhh Why do you think the road to life is 'constricted' ("cramped and narrow")? What do you consider those 'constrictions' to be, since the people on the other road have refused to accept them?



What is this parable about?
Who is the bridegroom of the parable? Clearly, Jesus was talking about himself. Why, on a different occasion, he even referred to himself as the bridegroom! (Luke 5:34, 35)

What about the virgins? In the parable, Jesus says that the virgins have the responsibility to be ready with their lamps lit when the bridegroom arrives.
Both the apostle Paul and the apostle John were inspired to liken Christ’s anointed followers to chaste virgins. (2 Corinthians 11:2; Revelation 14:4) Clearly, Jesus intended the parable recorded at Matthew 25:1-13 as counsel and a warning to his disciples.

In the story, the "bridegroom" (Jesus) was delayed, and all the virgins had to be vigilant and have their lamps in order so that when the Bridegroom arrived, they would be ready for him. All of them dozed off, but when the call came that the Bridegroom had arrived, only the wise ones came with extra oil so that they would be prepared. None of then knew exactly when he was coming. The foolish ones didn't prepare and were caught out. The wise ones went into the marriage feast but the foolish ones were turned away.....

So we have two groups of "Christians"......ones who prepared for all contingencies, and others who do not prepare for a delay and miss out on their heavenly reward. It has been almost 2,000 years of waiting.....

Jesus used another illustration alluding to the same degree of vigilance....
Matthew 24:43-44....
"But know one thing: If the householder had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have kept awake and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 On this account, you too prove yourselves ready, because the Son of man is coming at an hour that you do not think to be it."

So the lesson is..."keep on the watch", because we do not know when Jesus will return as judge with his executional forces to separate the "sheep" from the "goats" in the final judgment of this world.

Yes, generally none of us know what day might be our own last day, and we need to have our lamp full of His oil. I expect it's what we find in chapters 13-15 of John. And notice, that with oil, the lamp can make light. Without oil it cannot.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Rev 21

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

I thought that you might have been thinking of this Scripture when you stated the oceans will be gone.

“Sea” is not literal, here...just as “new earth” & ‘new heaven’ is not literal. (Grief! If that were the case, i.e., the current literal one’s being gone, where’s everyone gonna go??)

Isaiah 57:20 likens the wicked to the boisterous sea. When Psalms 37:10-11 is fulfilled, the wicked will be no more...the sea will be no more. And “earth” can mean people, like in Genesis 11:1. So, a “new earth” refers to a new society of people, the meek, inheriting the earth. — Matthew 5:5

(Why destroy the planet? It’s beautiful! And it has done nothing wrong. But some people have...and still do.)

Yeah, JW’s read the Bible a lot!

 

[37818]

That is a good point. Since all those ‘good works’ performed under false pretences do not count with Jesus when he comes to judge mankind, whose power is used to perform their miracles?
Does the devil do good works? Apparently that is one of the ways he deceives....(2 Corinthians 11:14-15)

@Hockeycowboy has mentioned that good works are sometimes clouded by bad judgment. Especially is this evident when it comes to nationalistic pride or patriotism.

In the light of Jesus words at Matthew 5:44-45....
“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous.”.....how can a “Christian” love their enemy with a weapon in their hands as if Jesus will somehow overlook their disobedience because it involves another (competing) loyalty.....love of one’s country?

Who do we obey when taking human life is involved? Jesus didn’t mention an escape clause.

The apostle Paul went further in this....
“Return evil for evil to no one. Take into consideration what is fine from the viewpoint of all men. 18 If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men. 19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says Jehovah.” 20 But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals on his head.” 21 Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.”

How can any Christian ignore those clear directives? Will it make them popular? (John 15:18-21) Or will they receive ostracism because of the stand taken by the majority of churches who want to justify disobeying Christ’s commands? What will the “weeds” be doing?



Abraham obeyed his God without hesitation, even when the unthinkable was asked of him.....isn’t this what faith being backed up by works really means? If we know God’s will and deliberately go against it because we can justify it in our own mind (as Abraham could have, seeing as how all God’s promises depended on Isaac being alive) yet Abraham did not hesitate to obey, because he figured that God knew what he was doing and would raise his son from the dead. (Hebrews 11:17-19)

Faith has to be backed up by works. i.e. faith without the works that prove it...it is an inactive or “dead” faith....and the works have to be done in obedience to Christ’s teachings....all of them. Who was given authority to choose which commands they could avoid?

I comes down to what or Whom one is trusting. Ephesians 2:8-10, ". . . that not of yourselves: . . ." John 1:12-13, ". . . not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, . . ." Romans 8:9, 1 John 5:12, 2 Corinthians 13:5.

 

[cataway]

Revelation 21, is when the earth is no longer a terrestrial planet. And in a celestial planet there is no sea, and no night time, no sun light, none of it. The terrestrial has packed up. And its written in the language of Prophets, not in symbols. It is the oceans. Water in this earth is not in its perfect state. Water in the Celestial is crystal waters. There is also no animals or fish in a celestial planet. You are far from understanding what the kingdom is.

maybe you missed Isaiah 11
6 And the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them. 7 And the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull. 8 And the sucking child will certainly play upon the hole of the cobra; and upon the light aperture of a poisonous snake will a weaned child actually put his own hand. 9 They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain; because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea.

 

[Yahcubs777]

I thought that you might have been thinking of this Scripture when you stated the oceans will be gone.

“Sea” is not literal, here...just as “new earth” & ‘new heaven’ is not literal. (Grief! If that were the case, i.e., the current literal one’s being gone, where’s everyone gonna go??)

Isaiah 57:20 likens the wicked to the boisterous sea. When Psalms 37:10-11 is fulfilled, the wicked will be no more...the sea will be no more. And “earth” can mean people, like in Genesis 11:1. So, a “new earth” refers to a new society of people, the meek, inheriting the earth. — Matthew 5:5

(Why destroy the planet? It’s beautiful! And it has done nothing wrong. But some people have...and still do.)

Yeah, JW’s read the Bible a lot!

No the sea is literal. Do you think that a heavens world has liquid water? I suppose you also think that Night time is also not literal. Heaven has no liquid waters. Heaven has no night time.

Rev 22

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

To answer your question,the terrestrial earth will transfigure into a celestial earth.

 

[Yahcubs777]

maybe you missed Isaiah 11
6 And the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them. 7 And the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull. 8 And the sucking child will certainly play upon the hole of the cobra; and upon the light aperture of a poisonous snake will a weaned child actually put his own hand. 9 They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain; because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea.

Speaking of Shiloh, which is actually pointing to the Ark of Noah.

 

[Yahcubs777]

"isaiah 35 is speaking of this earth"

Then will the eyes of the blind be opened
and the ears of the deaf unstopped.
6 Then will the lame leap like a deer,
and the mute tongue shout for joy.
Water will gush forth in the wilderness
and streams in the desert.

When in the history of the planet has this ever happened?

When Jesus His Pre-Eminence walked the earth. And when Noah coupled the Ark.

 

[filthyrottendirty]

When Jesus His Pre-Eminence walked the earth. And when Noah coupled the Ark.

Where is that in the Bible?

 

[Yahcubs777]

Where is that in the Bible?

How do you think Animals remained in the Ark for a year? Do you think they were still animalistic? The Lion ate straw, was pointing to the Ark of Noah. And Water covered the entire earth.

Jesus HIs Pre-Eminence said to say to John the Baptist:

2Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, 3And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another? 4Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: 5The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 6And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I thought that you might have been thinking of this Scripture when you stated the oceans will be gone.
“Sea” is not literal, here...just as “new earth” & ‘new heaven’ is not literal. (Grief! If that were the case, i.e., the current literal one’s being gone, where’s everyone gonna go??)
Isaiah 57:20 likens the wicked to the boisterous sea. When Psalms 37:10-11 is fulfilled, the wicked will be no more...the sea will be no more. And “earth” can mean people, like in Genesis 11:1. So, a “new earth” refers to a new society of people, the meek, inheriting the earth. — Matthew 5:5
(Why destroy the planet? It’s beautiful! And it has done nothing wrong. But some people have...and still do.) !

I find Jesus couldn't have subjects or citizens from 'sea to sea' if the literal seas were No more - see Psalms 72:8

 

[Yahcubs777]

I find Jesus couldn't have subjects or citizens from 'sea to sea' if the literal seas were No more - see Psalms 72:8

You seem to be very confused about who this is talking about. This is talking about the Son of Man, Elijah. If the Moon endures it means its still a terrestrial earth. When the sun, moon and stars pack up, thats when the earth will be transfigured.

 

[cataway]

Speaking of Shiloh, which is actually pointing to the Ark of Noah.

ahh , no

 

[Yahcubs777]

ahh , no

Yes.

For as it was in the days of Noah, so too shall the coming of the son of man be.

 

[cataway]

Yes.

For as it was in the days of Noah, so too shall the coming of the son of man be.

Paradise that God will soon establish, animals and humans will be at peace. The lamb will be at no risk to be with a wolf or a calf with a leopard. As if to show the contrast with the present, the language even allows for the idea that the wolf would be a resident protected by the lamb.—Isaiah 35:9; 65:25.
9 No lion will prove to be there, and the rapacious sort of wild beasts will not come up on it. None will be found there; and the repurchased ones must walk [there]
25 “The wolf and the lamb themselves will feed as one, and the lion will eat straw just like the bull; and as for the serpent, his food will be dust. They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain,” Jehovah has said.