Christians, why do you hate Gays?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The Bible says their are degrees of punishment

The Bible says lots of things. I was trying to find out your interpretation.

You dont understand salvation.

I don't understand your version of salvation because you haven't said what it is yet. There are enough versions of God's plan of salvation rattling around in Christianity that I can't automatically tell which one you like best.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

I believe in what's called "theistic evolution". That should tell you the answer to all these questions

Message to KingOfTheJungle, and allright:

Consider the following claims:

1. Creationism is true.

2. A global flood occurred.

3. The earth is young.

Which of those claims do you believe are true?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

What makes you think she didn't? Are messages from God subject to your review?

FWIW, the messages must be viewed through the lens of Scripure, not my lens. Sure there are at least a few variations in how you can interpret them with INTEGRITY, but nothing that IMO has any serious bearing on what God views as right and wrong. So if someone thinks they're getting a message from Christian God telling them it's ok to do something we know from Scripture is wrong we can discern that this is indeed not the voice of God

 

[Storm]

I really don't believe you. I believe there may have been a hoax of some sort, but that's about it. It'll take more than regurgitating the claims to qualify as evidence.


You dont want it to be true, so no evidence would convince you

You have no idea what I want, or what would convince me.

Learn to use the quote feature.

 

[beenie]

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[sojourner]

FWIW, the messages must be viewed through the lens of Scripure, not my lens. Sure there are at least a few variations in how you can interpret them with INTEGRITY, but nothing that IMO has any serious bearing on what God views as right and wrong. So if someone thinks they're getting a message from Christian God telling them it's ok to do something we know from Scripture is wrong we can discern that this is indeed not the voice of God

But you have to view the scripture, also through a lens that is not your own. It's a lens of several different disciplines of criticism, all in an effort to actually exegete what the texts say. Therefore, it's a huge mistake to simply assert that "God says homosexuality is a sin," because an appropriate exegesis of the texts in question will reveal that it's not so cut-and-dried.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

What makes you think she didn't? Are messages from God subject to your review?

It's important to remember that she claimed the messages she received were Scripture verses that just happened to be delivered by someone who didn't realize just how much they applied to here life. She claimed to be a former Christian. There's basically one message that Scripture contains for people that walked away from their faith: turn back

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There's basically one message that Scripture contains for people that walked away from their faith: turn back

Some of us who gave up our faith simply would not be capable of truly believing it again. And even if some sort of evidence were to be presented, our senses and thoughts often betray us.

 

[sojourner]

It's important to remember that she claimed the messages she received were Scripture verses that just happened to be delivered by someone who didn't realize just how much they applied to here life. She claimed to be a former Christian. There's basically one message that Scripture contains for people that walked away from their faith: turn back

That's not what "repent" means, in the scriptural context, though.

 

[starlite]

That's not what "repent" means, in the scriptural context, though.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To repent means to “change one’s mind with regard to past action, or conduct. Some believers in Corinth repented of fornication, idolatry, adultery, homosexuality, stealing, greed, drunkenness, reviling, and extortion. As a result, they were “washed clean” in Jesus’ blood, were “sanctified” as those set apart for God's service, and were “declared righteous” in the name of Jesus Christ and with the spirit of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11) A repentant individual’s conversion takes place after he rejects his wrong course and determines to do what is right. Hebrew and Greek verbs relating to conversion mean “turn back, turn around, or return.” [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The resulting new personality replaces ungodly traits with godly qualities. (Colossians 3:5-14) Yes, true repentance really causes one to “turn around.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif](Acts 3:19) . . .“Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get YOUR sins blotted out, that seasons of refreshing may come from the person of Jehovah [/FONT]

 

[Ingledsva]

To repent means to “change one’s mind with regard to past action, or conduct. Some believers in Corinth repented of fornication, idolatry, adultery, homosexuality, stealing, greed, drunkenness, reviling, and extortion. As a result, they were “washed clean” in Jesus’ blood, were “sanctified” as those set apart for God's service, and were “declared righteous” in the name of Jesus Christ and with the spirit of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

It does not mention homosexuality in 1 Co 6:9.

 

[Shermana]

It does not mention homosexuality in 1 Co 6:9.

The word "Arsenkoit" (man bedder) most probably does in fact refer to men who "bed other men", and Malekoi surely means "Effeminate" (effeminate males), the word Malekoi is used by other Greek authors to refer to Catamites. Some say Arsenkoit refers only to pagan temple (male) prostitutes but there's little basis for this as opposed to a general description of those who participate in the act in general.

The issue of "Homosexuality" as an orientation versus the action is a semantic issue and a rather moot point. It is most likely in fact condemning the actual practice of such. And even then, it can be argued that "Malekoi" is a defacto early form of identifying what we call today "orientation". It should be noted however that it's only referring to males, not females, despite those who may say that its intended to apply to both.

Again, there's evidence that the Ancient Jews did not consider Lesbianism on the same level as male-male relations.

 

[Desert Snake]

This is a long thread, I'm sure it's been mentioned, however just because the Bible says something is wrong, that doesn't mean we're supposed to hate the people comitting the sin.

 

[Ryozuki]

According to the god of the old testament the act of homosexuality is an abomination and should be punished with death. It doesn't mention that being homosexual is a sin since back then people didn't even realize it was something people were born with, they thought some individuals just chose to go around and have sex with other men just for fun.


According to Jesus in the new testament...he made no comments on it, no mention except some bible verses where he speaks of two men sleeping in a bed, one would be taken and the other left behind, perhaps referring to the rapture, basically saying that even gays who live together could be saved, but one could stay behind if he or she was not faithful or whatever.



Christianity should be based more on the...cough 'reform' of the new testament and should ignore most of the stuff written down in the old one, since the old one pretty much orders around everyone to slaughter each other.



I personally believe that the Christians who choose to go around with their anti-gay agenda are just reflecting their own personal hate towards them, their homophobia if you will, and use the bible as an excuse to justify their hate.

 

[savagewind]

According to the god of the old testament the act of homosexuality is an abomination and should be punished with death.

I have never read that homosexuality "should be punished". It is written that homosexuals will end up in the fire. I think that fire means something everyone is headed for but homosexuals will be those that do not take the way out. The ones taking the way out that is being offered are the ones that will be saved. Somethings prevent a person from wanting a way out, homosexuality being one of them.

 

[dgirl1986]

I have never read that homosexuality "should be punished". It is written that homosexuals will end up in the fire. I think that fire means something everyone is headed for but homosexuals will be those that do not take the way out. The ones taking the way out that is being offered are the ones that will be saved. Somethings prevent a person from wanting a way out, homosexuality being one of them.

Leviticus 20:13

New International Version (©1984)
"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

 

[savagewind]

Leviticus 20:13 says it all? :sleep: You don't know me very well.

First of all I think it's meaning to execute the offender is stretching it (added one's own interpretation) I know it's been that way for I'm guessing four thousand years? How long? Because it seems a waste of time to say what I think it says I'm not going to.

Second of all give me one in the NT and I'll say you win, OK?

 

[dgirl1986]

Leviticus 20:13 says it all? :sleep: You don't know me very well.

First of all I think it's meaning to execute the offender is stretching it (added one's own interpretation) I know it's been that way for I'm guessing four thousand years? How long? Because it seems a waste of time to say what I think it says I'm not going to.

Second of all give me one in the NT and I'll say you win, OK?

Wasnt claiming to know you at all and was simply responding to your post.

I would've thought that stating they should be put to death would be pretty self explanatory. Look up all the different translations of the same verse if you like.

Am I to presume that you only pay attention to what is taught in the bible if it is taught in both OT and NT? I am not an expert on christian scripture but I do not think I have come across anything in the NT that even speaks about homosexuality.

 

[Desert Snake]

Ironic that the first sinner was a woman.