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Christians: Why doesn't Satan repent?
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Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
Aren't you the same person who argued "Abortion is killing babies" (correct me if I'm wrong)? So if abortion is killing and killing is violence and violence is very effective against those who are destroying, do you mean to tell me that babies destroy things?
If I'm thinking of someone else, disregard this.
Thesavorofpan
Is not going to save you.
He still wants to be God and he knows every soul he takes from God will hurt God.
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
If God is omnipotent, how is it even possible for God to be hurt?
Thesavorofpan
Is not going to save you.
Think of it this way. If you love someone and was dating someone and suddently that person went and left with someone out of the blue, wouldn't you be sad? He doesn't get pysically hurt, but only emotionally.
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
I would be sad, but I am not omnipotent. I wasn't aware God's omnipotency was restricted to his physicality. I wasn't aware that God's feelings could be hurt. Presumably, if you can manipulate God's feelings through your actions, God is subject to rage, jealousy, desire, love, happiness, sorrow, and other human emotions.
If science is correct and these emotions are the result of chemical secretions in the brain, then we can assume with some degree of confidence that God has a brain that operates in a similar fashion to ours. Since no other organism that we know of has a brain capable of performing the same complex functions we do, we can say there is a good chance God is a human organism.
Omnipotency is not just restricted to physicality, but also mentality.
Rogue Cardinal
Devil's Advocate
The interesting part about this entire conversation is that there is a lot of assuming going on about Satan.
You won't find much at all in the Bible on Satan. Especially his "fall". Most of what people think they know about Satan doesn't come from Christianity at all. That's what is so interesting about this conversation. The Jews had NO concept of Satan or Hell...and yet with Christianity we suddenly start to....but not really. It's not until MUCH later in Christianity....around 1400's that we have a concept of HELL.
You won't find much at all in the Bible on Satan. Especially his "fall". Most of what people think they know about Satan doesn't come from Christianity at all. That's what is so interesting about this conversation. The Jews had NO concept of Satan or Hell...and yet with Christianity we suddenly start to....but not really. It's not until MUCH later in Christianity....around 1400's that we have a concept of HELL.
McBell
Unbound
Seems to me that you have not thought this idea of yours through...
How is it that an all knowing being.....
Wait a minute...
Perhaps you do not believe that god is all knowing?
McBell
Unbound
I agree.
Though it seems to me that if god is all knowing and all powerful, that Satan has done nothing without gods permission.....
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
But that would suggest God has desires, would it not? If Satan cannot do anything without God's approval (and presumably God knows everything Satan does and has the power to stop Satan), then Satan's actions can either encourage or discourage God's approval. If God's approval is discouraged, God would have to desire Satan take a different course of action which would prompt the rectification of that action through God's omnipotency. If God's approval is encouraged, God does not have to rectify Satan's actions.
Can an entity that desires be omnipotent?
Thesavorofpan
Is not going to save you.
Of course I know he an All knowing being, but he just doesn't like seeing his chlidren make the wrong choice.
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
If this was true, why did this god reward satan with power and dominion over the damned, and the ability to influence people in this world? Was it a contest? The worst being get's to torture the rest, ready... go!
You do know satan works for god right? Read Job.
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Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
I'm not convinced you do.
McBell
Unbound
You seem to be suggesting that an all power being HAS to use the power.
Would not an all powerful being be capable of making the decision to not use its power?
McBell
Unbound
So why would he create something that he already knows will make the "wrong" choice?
McBell
Unbound
Then why does this all powerful God allow it?
McBell
Unbound
nor am I.
Thesavorofpan
Is not going to save you.
Because all he had before was mindless angels that did his every commmand and no choice, but to worship. He wanted a creature that would do it by choice and out of love.
Thesavorofpan
Is not going to save you.
Why should I try and convince an Aethiest on the fact that i believe what I believe?
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
This is a debate site.