Christians: Why Trinitarians are really polytheists

[nothead]

They view God as a "they" and not a "He."

They view the word "God" as a compound three-in-one being of God. God is meant as "being." There are three Persons in that "Being." The BEING can be a "they" although called in Bible a "He." Even though three "he's" this singular HE is of "being" and not number of persons, or individuals.

Unless of course it is seen that one of the "he's" is meant, the Father or the Son or the Holy Spirit. In that case the "he" is really a "he," not a "they."

"YHWH" also names the BEING, not the Person. So then Jesus is YHWH too. Guhhh.

But getting right down to it, trins speak of these Persons conniving, brainstorming, deciding together in equal harmony, and acting like a TEAM or Corporate HEAD, or a family of God, instead of a singular God with one mind, will and self-awareness.

THREE of each of these per Person means Gods of Like Kind, or species, or BEING. Thus trins are really polytheists, and what combines these three into one, they cannot say exactly. Which is exactly the problem, since no man CAN understand or deliniate the BEING of God, what it is for your bean, and for mine.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

[QUOTE="nothead, post: 413600 "no man CAN understand or deliniate the BEING of God, what it is for your bean, and for mine.[/QUOTE]"

Looks to me that your OP is what you understand and delineate, even thought what you understand is bull's pucks.

 

[Unification]

They view God as a "they" and not a "He."

They view the word "God" as a compound three-in-one being of God. God is meant as "being." There are three Persons in that "Being." The BEING can be a "they" although called in Bible a "He." Even though three "he's" this singular HE is of "being" and not number of persons, or individuals.

Unless of course it is seen that one of the "he's" is meant, the Father or the Son or the Holy Spirit. In that case the "he" is really a "he," not a "they."

"YHWH" also names the BEING, not the Person. So then Jesus is YHWH too. Guhhh.

But getting right down to it, trins speak of these Persons conniving, brainstorming, deciding together in equal harmony, and acting like a TEAM or Corporate HEAD, or a family of God, instead of a singular God with one mind, will and self-awareness.

THREE of each of these per Person means Gods of Like Kind, or species, or BEING. Thus trins are really polytheists, and what combines these three into one, they cannot say exactly. Which is exactly the problem, since no man CAN understand or deliniate the BEING of God, what it is for your bean, and for mine.

There is one God, the Father. There is one Son.... Not a fleshly individual being but the spiritual conscious state of life in all individuals.

 

[nothead]

[QUOTE="nothead, post: 413600 "no man CAN understand or deliniate the BEING of God, what it is for your bean, and for mine.

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Looks to me that your OP is what you understand and delineate, even thought what you understand is bull's pucks.[/QUOTE]

I understand that the elevation of Jesus to EQUALITY with his Father was made in 325 A.D. when all Judaic evidence is to the contrary, including the Jewish authors of NT...

...and anyone who says they UNDERSTAND what the Being of God is, don't even understand how a slug slugs around much less anything about how God does this or that, or how He is intrinsically.

 

[nothead]

There is one God, the Father. There is one Son.... Not a fleshly individual being but the spiritual conscious state of life in all individuals.

The Son is alive and well at the Right Hand, literally next to God. This man glorified is truly among us as the Paraclete, and will come again to rule all principalities, powers and even bad angels.

 

[Unification]

The Son is alive and well at the Right Hand, literally next to God. This man glorified is truly among us as the Paraclete, and will come again to rule all principalities, powers and even bad angels.

When He comes to rule again and reign in an individual's life He sure will INSIDE of the human body to conquer and destroy sin and falsities and principalities and bad angels and evil.

 

[nothead]

When He comes to rule again and reign in an individual's life He sure will INSIDE of the human body to conquer and destroy sin and falsities and principalities and bad angels and evil.

Yeah, in the clouds on a white horse...all these IN YOU, oh God.

Pantheism personified. How quaint. And hippy dippy.

Even the trumpets ablowing are in you too. Even the holy host which will accompany...all these IN you, since all things are one. Yeah, I been there, done that one. Didn't make sense then and still don't, unless a few hits of what, LSD maybe might tell me something weird this way comes is...good.

 

[Unification]

Yeah, in the clouds on a white horse...all these IN YOU, oh God.

Pantheism personified. How quaint. And hippy dippy.

Friend, look within.

 

[nothead]

Friend, look within.

Lots of guts in there. Some amount of fesces. What else in there you want me to look at? Blood? Brains? DNA?

Oh, that proverbial KI? Chakra emplacement? Kundalini rising? Nirvana suppressed? Power in horse stance? What?
Yin and Yang? Go with the flow? All flow is to the other end, sir. Eat and poo. Sleep and rise up and pee. What else, sir?

Baptism in the Holy Spirit? Now you getting somewhere, but no revelation is gonna replace the Word of God, in any case.

 

[Unification]

Lots of guts in there. Some amount of fesces. What else in there you want me to look at? Blood? Brains? DNA?

Oh, that proverbial KI? Chakra emplacement? Kundalini rising? Nirvana suppressed? Power in horse stance? What?
Yin and Yang? Go with the flow? All flow is to the other end, sir. Eat and poo. Sleep and rise up and pee. What else, sir?

Baptism in the Holy Spirit? Now you getting somewhere, but no revelation is gonna replace the Word of God, in any case.

does Christ teach you the scriptures or do the scriptures teach you about Christ? When and if a being is baptized with the Holy Ghost, where does that Holy Ghost dwell? So, you speak to Christ who is up in the clouds somewhere, externally .. and he relays your prayers, thoughts, hearts desires to God, whom is sitting right next to Him? Why couldn't the Christ be the life inside of you? Why is the Word of God a book who man exalts about the living and active Lord trying to speak His own words to an individual? Man has used this same book to create what.... 30,000 different sects of Christianity to oppress people? Why do we look to ourselves and men to teach us? We love and desire God that much to put our entire faith and Ives in the hands of ourselves or another man? ... Or better yet, exalt a book over Him? So a God of love, will come to physically conquer the earth and destroy humans.... Aren't sin his enemy? Your God would do that? Sounds anti-Christ-ish. Your own Jesus said there is no physical signs to observe and to not follow anyone that teaches this and to follow that the kingdom of God is within. So all the folks who have been looking outward for thousands of years for a coming of the Lord .... Couldn't they have just looked within? What's so special about this generation or the ones to come? Why would your God teach to look for an anti-christ and man of peace to arise in the Middle East? Doesn't the Middle East need many men of peace more than ever? Now, your own religion makes that impossible to happen, because any man of peace will just be murdered. Isn't it easier for the son of perdition to be revealed in an individual and for him to become sin conscious or exposed to his nakedness and faults and see himself for what he really is? Oh I get it... The vain power of the outward church buildings are holding the anti-christ back. Negative, Satan (the ego, carnal mind, self pride, teaching of man) is holding an individual back from the Lord's coming within.

 

[Unification]

Lots of guts in there. Some amount of fesces. What else in there you want me to look at? Blood? Brains? DNA?

Oh, that proverbial KI? Chakra emplacement? Kundalini rising? Nirvana suppressed? Power in horse stance? What?
Yin and Yang? Go with the flow? All flow is to the other end, sir. Eat and poo. Sleep and rise up and pee. What else, sir?

Baptism in the Holy Spirit? Now you getting somewhere, but no revelation is gonna replace the Word of God, in any case.

Colossians 1:27 New King James Version (NKJV)

27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ IN YOU, the hope of glory.

Luke 17:20-22New King James Version (NKJV)

He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU."

I sure the hope that isn't the altar you've been building for God, of pee and poo and fesces.

 

[nothead]

Colossians 1:27 New King James Version (NKJV)

27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ IN YOU, the hope of glory.

Luke 17:20-22New King James Version (NKJV)

He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU."

I sure the hope that isn't the altar you've been building for God, of pee and poo and fesces.

Do you have the Spirit Baptism, sir? What was it like for you?

 

[Unification]

Do you have the Spirit Baptism, sir? What was it like for you?

Romans 8:16

Romans 8:16King James Version (KJV)

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

 

[Unification]

Do you have the Spirit Baptism, sir? What was it like for you?

It's beautiful, love, peace, unity, kindness, do things purely and not in vain. See yourself for what you really are and who you really are, and other human's for who they really are. Lusts turn to love, contentment no matter what. You seek genuine care and truth for any being. Ego and pride and carnal ways completely squashed. Brought low and humbled. Realize you for what you are and apart from the Lord I can do no good. Life is easy, find favor and things just naturally work in harmony. Lose all desire for anything impure, self control in anything, constant shield of awareness and discernment of surroundings. A transformed mind to see and hear differently. See the beauty in everything. Look at nature and get lost. Discernment of an individual's personal problems and why they occur, see why all of my past ways failed no matter how good a guy and father I thought I was, and discern every time the Lord was knocking and I ignored for own will and ways and not willing to let go of what I was conditioned and taught by myself and man. Forsake all for the truth and the Lord. see the oppression of people and suffer, genuinely place others above yourself and want them to experience the beautiful truth. Much thankfulness and gratefulness for being corrected. . Always asking to be stripped of anything you're doing wrong. The voice of a handicapped woman becomes more beautiful than anything, see the world as it is and what is wrong with mind conditioned religion, most importantly, hear the Lords voice guiding you, teaching you, truly know God. Scripture starts gradually popping out spiritually and wanting to jump up and down with happiness and bliss to the Lord. Stop praising man and letting them direct your faith. A sense of beautiful bliss inside. No more depression, anxiety, fear, anger, worries. extreme patience, no more seeking attention here and there and hidden agendas, see a human for what's inside and not out. Absolutely no anger or temper. List is endless. Coming from a mind conditioned religion for 30 years and finally listening to the Lord has been the most incredible experience. Much love and peace.

 

[nothead]

It's beautiful, love, peace, unity, kindness, do things purely and not in vain. See yourself for what you really are and who you really are, and other human's for who they really are. Lusts turn to love, contentment no matter what. You seek genuine care and truth for any being. Ego and pride and carnal ways completely squashed. Brought low and humbled. Realize you for what you are and apart from the Lord I can do no good. Life is easy, find favor and things just naturally work in harmony. Lose all desire for anything impure, self control in anything, constant shield of awareness and discernment of surroundings. A transformed mind to see and hear differently. See the beauty in everything. Look at nature and get lost. Discernment of an individual's personal problems and why they occur, see why all of my past ways failed no matter how good a guy and father I thought I was, and discern every time the Lord was knocking and I ignored for own will and ways and not willing to let go of what I was conditioned and taught by myself and man. Forsake all for the truth and the Lord. see the oppression of people and suffer, genuinely place others above yourself and want them to experience the beautiful truth. Much thankfulness and gratefulness for being corrected. . Always asking to be stripped of anything you're doing wrong. The voice of a handicapped woman becomes more beautiful than anything, see the world as it is and what is wrong with mind conditioned religion, most importantly, hear the Lords voice guiding you, teaching you, truly know God. Scripture starts gradually popping out spiritually and wanting to jump up and down with happiness and bliss to the Lord. Stop praising man and letting them direct your faith. A sense of beautiful bliss inside. No more depression, anxiety, fear, anger, worries. extreme patience, no more seeking attention here and there and hidden agendas, see a human for what's inside and not out. Absolutely no anger or temper. List is endless. Coming from a mind conditioned religion for 30 years and finally listening to the Lord has been the most incredible experience. Much love and peace.

The Circumcision of the Heart, Deut 30 is what God does to you first, sir...although all you say is in fact your end of covenant, to love God first and foremost.

The Baptism in Spirit is a gift of promise given unto men...you mentioned not what God did to you, at all, giving me the impression ye are a self-made spiritualist, not the ideal. The upper room experience in trickled down version IS the real deal, as God gives, give back glory...your vacancy here is telling not of what God did to you, transform you, rather how you transformed thyself.

Acts 2, and Peter's testimony subsequent. Pentecostals know this as experientially as any nirvana told, or God-light spoken.

 

[Unification]

The Circumcision of the Heart, Deut 30 is what God does to you first, sir...although all you say is in fact your end of covenant, to love God first and foremost.

The Baptism in Spirit is a gift of promise given unto men...you mentioned not what God did to you, at all, giving me the impression ye are a self-made spiritualist, not the ideal. The upper room experience in trickled down version IS the real deal, as God gives, give back glory...your vacancy here is telling not of what God did to you, transform you, rather how you transformed thyself.

Acts 2, and Peter's testimony subsequent. Pentecostals know this as experientially as any nirvana told, or God-light spoken.

Thank you for speaking for me.

 

[nothead]

does Christ teach you the scriptures or do the scriptures teach you about Christ? When and if a being is baptized with the Holy Ghost, where does that Holy Ghost dwell? So, you speak to Christ who is up in the clouds somewhere, externally .. and he relays your prayers, thoughts, hearts desires to God, whom is sitting right next to Him? Why couldn't the Christ be the life inside of you? Why is the Word of God a book who man exalts about the living and active Lord trying to speak His own words to an individual? Man has used this same book to create what.... 30,000 different sects of Christianity to oppress people? Why do we look to ourselves and men to teach us? We love and desire God that much to put our entire faith and Ives in the hands of ourselves or another man? ... Or better yet, exalt a book over Him? So a God of love, will come to physically conquer the earth and destroy humans.... Aren't sin his enemy? Your God would do that? Sounds anti-Christ-ish. Your own Jesus said there is no physical signs to observe and to not follow anyone that teaches this and to follow that the kingdom of God is within. So all the folks who have been looking outward for thousands of years for a coming of the Lord .... Couldn't they have just looked within? What's so special about this generation or the ones to come? Why would your God teach to look for an anti-christ and man of peace to arise in the Middle East? Doesn't the Middle East need many men of peace more than ever? Now, your own religion makes that impossible to happen, because any man of peace will just be murdered. Isn't it easier for the son of perdition to be revealed in an individual and for him to become sin conscious or exposed to his nakedness and faults and see himself for what he really is? Oh I get it... The vain power of the outward church buildings are holding the anti-christ back. Negative, Satan (the ego, carnal mind, self pride, teaching of man) is holding an individual back from the Lord's coming within.

Looking within is Eastern muck. The Holy Ghost is outside of your carnal self. Pray unto God, have elders if possible lay on hands and pray with you. The fullness of the indwelling bodily starts not from within, but from the Holy Living God, OUTSIDE of you and when indwelt, KNOWN to be indwelt. "No longer shall you worship on a mountain or in a Temple, but in Spirit and in Truth." But that SPIRIT has to first indwell, as all pentecostals know.

They ALSO know this is available to every man woman and child. Who prays the fervent prayer for the Baptism of Spirit.
Michael Morton received this Baptism, not even being pentecostal, 25 years in prison for the murder of his wife in Texas, which he did not commit. No tongues, no interpretations thereof, but a "bright radiant light" which rocked his world.

And HIS prayer was for God to show Himself. Not looking WITHIN, but firstly WITHOUT. Outside of himself, sir.
And he has never been the same since. Even forgiving the ones who put him in jail, with evidence plainly showing them he was innocent.

 

[kepha31]

The human family is the closest analogy that mankind will ever come to concretely understanding the Blessed Trinity.

The creeds teach that while there is one God, He exists in three distinct persons. The bible, on the other hand, reveals that man is made in the 'image of God'. From these two truths, therefore, we can acknowledge that the complete image of God is found in the Triune understanding of Him.

This understanding of His Triune nature is reflected by the human family whose personal relationships approach the likeness of the Trinity.
There are multiple demonstrations of this truth.

Consider the unity of the Trinity which is reflected in the unity of the family. Or the "family of persons" which is found in both. The persons of the Trinity share the 'same substance ' while a human family becomes one flesh: wife with husband and parents with children.

There is also another element in the Trinity that lends itself to human likeness. The Nicene Creed professes this about the Trinity: "We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life who proceeds from the Father and the Son."

In Catholic theology, the Holy Spirit is said to proceed from the will of both the Father and the Son, or in other words, through the activity which they engage in, otherwise known as "love".

The Holy Spirit is poured forth through the exchange of love between the Father and the Son. This is why perhaps Jesus says to the Apostles: " Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." (John 16:7)

In the eternal economy of the Trinity, therefore, a person 'proceeds' from the love between two other persons. And so, the Holy Spirit is love 'proceeding' or 'coming from' the first two persons of the Blessed Trinity.

The human family has a rather striking parallel to this dynamic. The ultimate act of intimacy in a marriage mirrors the eternal exchange of love between the first two persons of the Trinity.

And like the eternal or continual procession of the Holy Spirit in the Trinity, the act of love between a man and a woman causes a 'procession' of another human person (i.e. the birth of a child).

The Trinity is a mystery, not a math formula. It doesn't relate to polytheism.

 

[Brandon Brossett]

It doesn't matter what the creed says but what does the bible say.
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The bible says "God was matifested in the flesh", Jesus said "if you seen me you seen the father", Isaiah 9:6 says "unto a child is born a son is given and his name shall be called .........., The mighty God, The everlasting Father. What is the greatest commandment " Hear O Israel The Lord our God is one Lord" not a Tri god but one God. Jehovah said " I am alpha omega first and last", Jesus says same thing in Revelation. To top it off Jehovah said He would not share glory and Jesus said "All power is given unto me in Heaven and Earth" where does that leave the Father

 

[Brandon Brossett]

And who wants to serve a mystery