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Christians with tatoos

SoliDeoGloria

Active Member
Lev 19:28 "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead, nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD."

Is this command relavent for Christians today or would it be o.k. for a Christian to get a tattoo that says "Hardcore for Christ"(which, BTW, I have seen), or their wife's name tattooed somewhere to honor an anniversary?

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
This is from the Christian Courier regarding tattoos. It is what I believe as well.

One must be very careful about trying to use Old Testament passages as proof-texts for what one may or may not practice in the Christian age. It is a fundamental aspect of Bible doctrine that the Mosaic system was abrogated by the death of Christ (Eph. 2:14ff; Col. 2:14ff).

The following observations are in order:
  1. This same chapter (Leviticus 19) also provides instruction for appropriate conduct in conjunction with offering animal sacrifices. It requires leaving certain portions of one’s crops unharvested (in the interest of the poor). The sowing of two types of seed in the same field is prohibited. The Hebrews were not to wear a garment with two different fabrics combined (e.g., wool and linen). When new fruit trees were planted, none of the fruit was to be eaten for the first three years. There are restrictions about how the man’s hair was to be cut, and the manner in which his beard might not be trimmed. Keeping the Sabbath is enjoined, etc. Why should we focus on one of these injunctions to the exclusion of the others?
  2. The immediate context of Leviticus 19:27-28 suggests that Moses was attempting to inoculate Israel against the emulation of certain heathen practices related to idolatry. For example, the prophet forbids “cutting the flesh” in the passage under consideration; yet no one contends that medical surgery is being condemned. Rather, “cuttings” in the flesh “for the dead” are in view (cf. also 1 Kgs. 18:28). This was an idolatrous practice.
    Too, ancient archaeological evidence indicates that some of the Canaanites would tattoo themselves with the names or symbols of their favorite “gods.” This appears to be what the prophet is condemning, not the modern custom of “esthetic” tattooing - regardless of how distasteful such a practice may be to many people.
  3. Since the New Testament does not address the issue of tattooing specifically, one must be guided by principle. Any practice that is vulgar, gaudy, or a distraction to one’s Christian influence should be avoided. But, to some extent, this is a matter of taste and judgment. No one can presume to prescribe conduct for everyone else in matters of this nature. Is it appropriate for women to wear make-up? How about permanent eye-liner? May men and women adorn themselves with jewelry? May they pierce their ears?
Christians must attempt to employ sound judgment in such matters, and give no occasion to the adversary for reviling (1 Tim. 5:14). Moreover, a Christian’s personal privacy and right of choice must be respected in ambiguous areas of judgment.
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
I do believe our bodies are temples for our spirits and, as such, we should keep them as pure as possible.

That said, I've seen LDS missionaries with tattoos.

Now that I think about it, there are many cultures that do body tattoos. I'm remembering all those Samoans and Tongans I saw at the Polynesian Cultural Center last summer.

From an LDS perspective, these are worthy members, but they are running around without garments showing their body tattoos! I think that's funny for some reason. I also think it shows tolerance for cultural beliefs. My wife, a convert, enjoyed that aspect of PCC.
 
I personally dont think God would care that much, as long as it is not representing something that is against or violates what he teaches aka. Satanic symbol
 

Ody

Well-Known Member
Geoffthe3rd said:
I personally dont think God would care that much, as long as it is not representing something that is against or violates what he teaches aka. Satanic symbol

I might as well pipe in, the reason we jews don't use tatoos is that we view it as a pagan tradition. But whatever floats your boat i agree as long as it isn't to bad or whatever G-d doesn't really care.
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
This is what my tattoo artist has to say about it on his website. From Seppuku Tattoo:

“Do not cut your bodies for the dead, or put tattoo marks on yourselves.” Leviticus 19:28. This is the scripture that will appear in various tattoo magazines from time to time, & everyone seems to think that this means that tattoos are just plain forbidden. In context, many of these commands given were for a very specific period of time, & for very specific reasons, mainly because people were worshipping demons with cutting & bloodletting, blood drinking,child sacrifice, all night orgies, & other practices that were either spreading fatal diseases like the plague or were just out & out murder. “Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech for you must not profane the name of your God” Leviticus 18:2. I mean, come on, they were living in a time, 4000 years ago, when someone actually had to sit down & write a law saying that child sacrifice was a BAD thing! All of these things of course had a spiritual significance, but even in practical terms, drinking blood or sex with dozens of temple prostitutes just wasn’t exactly a healthy thing to do. Necromancy was also a broadly practiced theme, & the tattooing was specifically for communing with the dead, & was a hell of a lot more than just getting a heart with Mom written in the middle. “Do not cut yourselves or shave the front of your heads for the dead for you are a people holy to the Lord your God.” Deuteronomy 14:1. Many of these regulations were certainly specific to the time & place that they were written, a prime example are all the laws concerning slaves, up to & including penalties for sleeping with another man’s slave.


It’s obvious that body art isn’t the issue here, the issue was the nation of Israel, rather literally, prostituting herself to pagan gods, & that wasn’t a good thing. In fact, nose rings were used as engagement pieces, to the extent that when God himself is speaking allegorically of her chosen people, He mentions betrothing her with this piercing,.... “I adorned you with jewelry: I put bracelets on your arms & a necklace on your neck, & I put a ring on your nose, earrings on your ears & a beautiful crown on your head.” Ezekiel 16:11-12 (also in Genesis 24:22, Genesis 24:30, Genesis 24:47, Genesis 35:4, & Exodus 32:2-3). Piercings & all manner of body arts were used in the most sacred of the rituals, marriage, which was instituted by God as an earthly analogy of what it would be like to commune with him in Heaven.


In fact, I would venture forward to say that God himself is adorned with markings not dissimilar to tattoos,... although don’t ask me who is artist is,... “See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands.” Isaac 49:22. And like Father like Son, let’s not forget the physical description given to a resurrected Jesus,... “On His robe & on his thigh he has the name written: KING OF KINGS & LORD OF LORDS.” Revelation 19:16. I can take it to a further extreme, & say that when Jesus rose from the dead, his wounds were not healed, He still bore them,... His hands, feet, side & scalp were all pierced, & were still there, as we can see when Thomas doubts the whole thing & demands to put his fingers in the piercings. “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands & put my finger where the nails were, & put my hand into His side, I will not believe it.” John 20:25. Those piercings were the most significant act in all of human history, changing everything about society as we know it for millennia.


We must keep in mind the Bible’s perspective on flesh, it’s flesh that we try to separate whenever fasting is spoken of, it’s flesh that dies off & is laid back to the dust, & it’s the flesh that we are asked to crucify every day. Keep these last two passages in mind whenever some mindless right wing Pat Robertson drone is blathering on parroting some mindless garbage out of context about your body adornment or attire:


“The Lord does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outer appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” 1 Samuel 16:7


“Stop judging by mere appearances, & make a right judgment.” Jesus Christ, John 7:21
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
Buttercup...I agree with Buttons, if I could frubal you...I would...will have to come around and do so later. Great post!

I feel the same.
 

Circle_One

Well-Known Member
AlanGurvey said:
I might as well pipe in, the reason we jews don't use tatoos is that we view it as a pagan tradition. But whatever floats your boat i agree as long as it isn't to bad or whatever G-d doesn't really care.

Could you explain what about tattoos is considered Pagan or at least why they are considered Pagan?

Thanks :)
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
I would say Danisty's tattoo artist friend's thoughts parallel the NT...that's pretty cool and makes good common sense if you ask me.
 

Doodlebug02

Active Member
If we must accept that verse from Leviticus then we must accept all the others too including the ban on shrimp, lobster, mixed cloth clothing, and we can't play football. So, no we do not have to accept that verse.
 

SoliDeoGloria

Active Member
Could you explain what about tattoos is considered Pagan or at least why they are considered Pagan?

I beleive it comes down to the intent of the one getting the tattoo.

Just for clarification, I do agree with what has been stated so far. I treat this issue like I would Christian rock, which I have seen some pretty good debates on. If the truth be known, my wife and I will have been married ten years this July, and she would like us to get tattoos to commemorate the upcoming anniversary. Now, she acknowledges and agrees with Christianity objectively but does not go to church for various reasons, so when she suggests it, some, like her dad who is a youth pastor, take it as a bad thing. The funny thing is, despite the fact that I have spent almost four years incarcerated, I don't have one tattoo and have never really considered it until she brought it up. I don't personally have a serious problem with the idea, I just thought I would throw it out in here and see what happens. I have used the same arguements that have been used in here. Thanks for the input.

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria
 

Mike182

Flaming Queer
SoliDeoGloria said:
Lev 19:28 "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead, nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD."

Is this command relavent for Christians today or would it be o.k. for a Christian to get a tattoo that says "Hardcore for Christ"(which, BTW, I have seen), or their wife's name tattooed somewhere to honor an anniversary?

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

i would say christians can get a tattoo (or tattoos)

im after a fair few........
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
SoliDeoGloria said:
Lev 19:28 "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead, nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD."

Is this command relavent for Christians today or would it be o.k. for a Christian to get a tattoo that says "Hardcore for Christ"(which, BTW, I have seen), or their wife's name tattooed somewhere to honor an anniversary?

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

Yes.

If the tatoo is in honor of a foriegn god and breaks the first commandment, then it is relevant. If the tatoo does not violate the first commandment and does not dishonor God in any other way, then the tat is fine!

Examples of dishonoring God:
G sucks!
I killed my MoM
Death to the LDS!
 

onmybelief

Active Member
I have always been taught that it did not matter what you look like; it did not matter what your background to be part of Christ's church. Personally I don't like tattoos, but I also would not care If I seen somebody with one either.
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
It seems that when Christ comes again He's going to have a tatoo: Rv 19:16, "And he hath...on his thigh aname written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

Now if getting a tatoo is the biggest dilema one might have a a Christian I commend them. I know I have much more basic issues to deal with myself.
 

Ody

Well-Known Member
Circle_One said:
Could you explain what about tattoos is considered Pagan or at least why they are considered Pagan?

Thanks :)

It was a way the Canaanites showed thier religious devotion.
 

Ody

Well-Known Member
Holly said:
If we must accept that verse from Leviticus then we must accept all the others too including the ban on shrimp, lobster, mixed cloth clothing, and we can't play football. So, no we do not have to accept that verse.

Eating kosher isn't that crazy :)
 

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
Tattoos are just an expression of yourself. Same as the clothes you wear or the car you drive. They're forever, unlike clothes and cars, but still just an expression. And if you want to follow the OT laws, follow all of them... Shall I pass you some stones to throw? :D I believe it's what's in your heart that God really cares about.
 
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