Circumcision, for or against?

[Desert Snake]

Are you for it, or against it? The question is directed at you, personally, please do not bring in other arguments religious or otherwise, just a simple question.

*For this poll we will only be referring to male circumcision.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Against, just seems to be an unnecessary procedure that results in a great deal of pain for no real gain - a byproduct of an earlier time when hygiene was an issue perhaps... in any case no longer needed.

 

[1137]

Well, firstly are we including female circumcision? Also, are we talking 8 year old boys or 8 day old boys such as in Judaism? It's more complicated than "I am for / against circumcision."

 

[Desert Snake]

Well, firstly are we including female circumcision? Also, are we talking 8 year old boys or 8 day old boys such as in Judaism? It's more complicated than "I am for / against circumcision."

Just male circumcision, good point. And your opinion only.

You can explain what you're 'for' or 'against.'

 

[Skwim]

Circumcision is something like chocolate ice cream. Like it and want it? Fine. Don't like it and don't want it? Fine.

 

[Levite]

For, if you're Jewish, Muslim, or simply favor circumcision. Those who object should not be compelled to circumcise.

 

[Desert Snake]

Circumcision is something like chocolate ice cream. Like it and want it? Fine. Don't like it and don't want it? Fine.

O.K. But the OP question is actually asking for personal for/against, at least on the poll.

 

[vepurusg]

Circumcision is something like chocolate ice cream. Like it and want it? Fine. Don't like it and don't want it? Fine.

Ice cream is (usually) made from milk. Depending on the source of that milk, the production thereof may have resulted in suffering. Ice cream is also usually high in sugar and saturated fat, which both contribute to heart disease and may see you to an early grave, harming your loved ones and dependents.

So sure, it's like ice cream-- but that doesn't mean it's a trivial question. We should consider the consequences of actions when evaluating their morality in real terms with regards to their effects on others.

 

[averageJOE]

Against. It's an dangerous, outdated ritual with no medical benefit.

 

[outhouse]

against


take a bath or shower

 

[Skwim]

Ice cream is (usually) made from milk. Depending on the source of that milk, the production thereof may have resulted in suffering. Ice cream is also usually high in sugar and saturated fat, which both contribute to heart disease and may see you to an early grave, harming your loved ones and dependents.

So sure, it's like ice cream-- but that doesn't mean it's a trivial question. We should consider the consequences of actions when evaluating their morality in real terms with regards to their effects on others.

Pretty much went right over your head, didn't it.

But let me make a guess here: you're finishing up your freshman, perhaps sophomore, year at college this spring. Right?

 

[vepurusg]

Pretty much went right over your head, didn't it.

I know precisely what you were trying to say- though it seems you missed my point entirely.

You're trying to say it's no big deal/is of no moral consequence whether it is done or isn't done.

I'm calling you out on that- it is of moral consequence. Just because you overlook the moral consequence of what you see as trivial choices (whether ice cream or circumcision) out of apathy or ignorance doesn't mean they lack moral consequences.

 

[Skwim]

I know precisely what you were trying to say- though it seems you missed my point entirely.

You're trying to say it's no big deal/is of no moral consequence whether it is done or isn't done.

I'm calling you out on that- it is of moral consequence. Just because you overlook the moral consequence of what you see as trivial choices (whether ice cream or circumcision) out of apathy or ignorance doesn't mean they lack moral consequences.

And I was right!

Get a year or two of college under their belt and . . . .

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Education is a method whereby one acquires a higher grade of prejudices. Laurence J. Peter

Seems rather fitting - and happens to be a quote of the day

 

[vepurusg]

And I was right!

About what, do you imagine? I can tell you that in reality, you're right about nothing in moral terms (moral relativism).

Moral relativism is a poor, logically fallacious, excuse for moral apathy. It simply doesn't work, and using it will only sabotage your potential to be a good person (if you use logic instead of the nihilistic dogma of moral relativism- you have the capacity to do good, and the responsibility to do so).

I guarantee you I know more about moral relativism than you do (having come from there, I fully understand it, but I also understand why it is wrong)-- I was trying to school you, but you have quite a bit to learn, and you'll never get there if you outright reject criticism and logical argument with childish assertions about your opponent's education.

 

[Desert Snake]

Moral relativism is a poor, logically fallacious, excuse for moral apathy.

I think your comment about how circumcision is more than just 'what flavor ice-cream do you prefer' type of thing was well founded.

Anyways that's really why I added the poll, so as not to just get a whole bunch of "comments" like that one but actual personal opinions... If people don't want to give their personal opnions then this isn't the thread to comment on, basically.

 

[Caladan]

Are you for it, or against it? The question is directed at you, personally, please do not bring in other arguments religious or otherwise, just a simple question.

*For this poll we will only be referring to male circumcision.

The poll and OP are incredibly simplistic. Circumcision is common in some societies but not necessarily in others. Jews for example may be for circumcision, but only in their society, whether other males are circumcised in other societies is not anyone's concern.

 

[Kathryn]

Against.

 

[Madhuri]

I voted undecided. I wouldn't do it to my kid but im not against others doing it.

 

[cablescavenger]

Are you for it, or against it? The question is directed at you, personally, please do not bring in other arguments religious or otherwise, just a simple question.

*For this poll we will only be referring to male circumcision.

I trained as a circumcisionist. The money is lousy but there are plenty of tips