Circumcision.

[Father Heathen]

I was circumcised as an infant, and of course had no say.
As an adult, I would rather have had it left natural and intact. Am I the victim of mutilation? Why or why not?

 

[Heyo]

I was circumcised as an infant, and of course had no say.
As an adult, I would rather have had it left natural and intact. Am I the victim of mutilation? Why or why not?

Haven't had that one in quite a while.
As to your circumcision, was it because of (perceived) health benefits? If so, you're a victim of (unintentional) medical malpractice. You'd probably lose if you'd sue the doctor or your parents. They acted in good faith.

 

[ChristineM]

Depends why you were circumcised.

Example, as a child, hubby had his foreskin removed for medical reasons because it was tight and painful urinating.

Personally i think circumcision without medical grounds or the persons consent should count alongside fgm.

That said, i do prefer the esthetics of a circumcised penis

 

[Father Heathen]

Haven't had that one in quite a while.
As to your circumcision, was it because of (perceived) health benefits? If so, you're a victim of (unintentional) medical malpractice. You'd probably lose if you'd sue the doctor or your parents. They acted in good faith.

I had no intentions. I was just curious were people stood on the issue.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Speaking as someone not religious, I would have been extremely annoyed at my parents(s) for assuming that whatever their religious beliefs they felt the need to inflict this on me, given such an unnecessary procedure would probably have been carried out due to a religious belief. But they weren't that dedicated to whatever it was they believed (and circumcision not being part of this) - with mostly my mother being religious - and even then she didn't insist as to that much religion in the home. I see child circumcision as being abuse.

 

[Revoltingest]

I had no intentions. I was just curious were people stood on the issue.

You're a victim, albeit a victim-lite.
It's a prevailing sexist attitude that your naughty
bits are OK to modify for religious & cultural
reasons. But girls are no no.

 

[Heyo]

I had no intentions. I was just curious were people stood on the issue.

Last time we had that topic on, I had a long debate with @Harel13. It wasn't really resolved but it was a good debate.
My position was and is that it is a medical procedure and should only be performed for medical reasons by medical professionals and I'd vote and petition in my country to make that a law. I won't go out of my way to tell people in other countries how they should make their laws.
Bodily integrity is a higher value than millennia old traditions, imo.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I was circumcised as an infant, and of course had no say.
As an adult, I would rather have had it left natural and intact. Am I the victim of mutilation? Why or why not?

It's pretty bizarre to think that a deity would ask for a part of the body he made to be cut off in order to be different. It's not like the general public would know about it and think, "Yep, he's a Jew all right. " Great way to get more money from people I guess.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Depends why you were circumcised.

Example, as a child, hubby had his foreskin removed for medical reasons because it was tight and painful urinating.

Personally i think circumcision without medical grounds or the persons consent should count alongside fgm.

That said, i do prefer the esthetics of a circumcised penis

That's a kinda strange position to hold...
(that it's similar to fgm, but you prefer it aesthetically...)

I don't mean to judge, and hey...I'm circumcised anyway...ahem...but...err...
*blushes and flees*

 

[The Sum of Awe]

It's not like the general public would know about it and think, "Yep, he's a Jew all right. "

They would know about it if you've got an unhealthy amount of courage.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I had no intentions. I was just curious were people stood on the issue.

I was circumcised because it was a cultural norm here at the time. I haven't heard any other explanation. The procedure went well, and I just see it as 'no harm, no foul'.
But if the operation had gone poorly, I would most certainly feel differently. Appears an unrequired risk to me.
My wife and I had decided any boys we had would not be circumcised. Then we had three girls, so...*shrugs*

 

[Father Heathen]

That's a kinda strange position to hold...
(that it's similar to fgm, but you prefer it aesthetically...)

It would be different if an adult chooses to have it done. A good analogy would be an adult having a tattoo done vs. people tattooing an infant.

 

[ChristineM]

That's a kinda strange position to hold...
(that it's similar to fgm, but you prefer it aesthetically...)

I don't mean to judge, and hey...I'm circumcised anyway...ahem...but...err...
*blushes and flees*

Without consent is the key

Someone old enough to consent, who gives their consent, no problems. But a baby because its amway been done snscks of genital mutilation. To me.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

It would be different if an adult chooses to have it done. A good analogy would be an adult having a tattoo done vs. people tattooing an infant.

I know, that's completely true. And I don't have much experience judging the relative beauty of penises.

I didn't mean it to sound judgy at all, truth be told. It's just a hard thing for me to get straight.

Basically, depending on context circumcision is either fine or a mutilation, but in either way it looks better than the natural state.

*shrugs*

Meh, no thing really, just struck me strange. More 'strange' as in human nature than anything about @ChristineM

 

[ChristineM]

Meh, no thing really, just struck me strange. More 'strange' as in human nature than anything about @ChristineM

I was an artist esthetic beauty comes naturally. I think the glans is a fascinating shape. What i see may not be what someone else sees but that's fine

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Like @ChristineM, I prefer a circumcised partner, by a significant margin. As to myself, I was not circumcised as a baby, but because I have what's referred to as a "natural circumcision" (aposthia) in which the foreskin never covered more than a very little of the glans, I spent most of my life believing that I had been (as an orphan, I had nobody to ask).

Still, even though I prefer a circumcised partner, I have to acknowledge that there are risks, and boys have been mutilated by the procedure, and I don't think "culture" is sufficient reason to subject an infant to that risk.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I was an artist esthetic beauty comes naturally. I think the glans is a fascinating shape. What i see may not be what someone else sees but that's fine

Yes, but please don't paint a picture of it.

 

[ChristineM]

Yes, but please don't paint a picture of it.

Why not?

 

[Sand Dancer]

Why not?

Well, it might look like a lovely flower, with rosy petals, curving sweetly and petulantly...toward this ginormous stigma inside.

 

[Left Coast]

I was circumcised as an infant, and of course had no say.
As an adult, I would rather have had it left natural and intact. Am I the victim of mutilation? Why or why not?

I'm circumcised, and I think there's probably not a very good reason for most of us to be. That said, for myself personally I don't care and don't think of myself as having been harmed by it.