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Classical Concert in Florida Cancelled

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It's My Birthday!
There shouldn't be anything wrong with nudity. The human body is natural, and aversion to it is purely irrational, arbitrary cultural baggage.
So figure if you'd say that to a person who applies for work to a burger place. If they like going nude and want to go to work nude, would you say the above?
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Not all would agree with you. For some, engaging in homosexual behavior is a choice.

Only inasmuch as you and I, as heterosexuals, can engage in homosexual sex voluntarily. As a trait of humans (and over 1,500 species), it is immutable and not a choice. This is further highlighted by the fact that many LGBT people face immense social and legal threats but remain unable to simply "change" their orientation.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It's My Birthday!
Only inasmuch as you and I, as heterosexuals, can engage in homosexual sex voluntarily. As a trait of humans (and over 1,500 species), it is immutable and not a choice. This is further highlighted by the fact that many LGBT people face immense social and legal threats but remain unable to simply "change" their orientation.
The choice to disengage would have to be pretty strong.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
The choice to disengage would have to be pretty strong.

It also leads to significant distress, denial, and sometimes suicide for many people. You shouldn't have to disengage from expressing core aspects of yourself just because some distant religion teaches that your actions are sinful—and yes, millions of religious people would consider your beliefs to even be "blasphemous." LGBT people shouldn't have to deny themselves in order to live by your religious beliefs either.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It's My Birthday!
Would you say the same for military vets? Suicide is an issue among that group as well.
I am not sure the reasons for it, could be more than being homosexually leaning. If they know there could be trouble, why subject oneself to it. I doubt the army has barracks with men and women in them, maybe you know...?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It's My Birthday!
It also leads to significant distress, denial, and sometimes suicide for many people. You shouldn't have to disengage from expressing core aspects of yourself just because some distant religion teaches that your actions are sinful—and yes, millions of religious people would consider your beliefs to even be "blasphemous." LGBT people shouldn't have to deny themselves in order to live by your religious beliefs either.
I do not agree. I hear pedophiles are said to be unable to change.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Your suspicions may be wrong.
Take a food you hate, stick it in your mouth, and then "choose" to like it. Does it magically become delicious?

Look, it's obvious you're grasping for straws out of futile desperation because you can't come to terms with the fact that perhaps ancient, primitive goat herders may have been wrong about a great many things, including where they presumed to speak on god's behalf.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I do not agree. I hear pedophiles are said to be unable to change.

Pedophilia is entirely different from homosexuality because it involves children who are incapable of informed consent. That comparison is also considered to be against the forum mission and rules, so I won't go further with it.
 

Secret Chief

Vetted Member
I do not agree. I hear pedophiles are said to be unable to change.
What has paedophilia got to do with this? Nothing.
You did not choose your sexuality, the same way all heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals and asexuals did not. You never sat down at puberty and think "Hmmm now which people shall I choose to feel physically attracted to."
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Pedophilia is entirely different from homosexuality because it involves children who are incapable of informed consent. That comparison is also considered to be against the forum mission and rules, so I won't go further with it.
That, and it was already covered and laid to rest earlier in this very thread. Raising it again reveals that they're approaching this in bad faith.
 
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Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I don't follow your point. Are you saying you would have anyone speak and/or play music to you no matter what their lifestyle was?
Almost anyone. I'll admit that I draw a line. Everyone does. I wouldn't attend a concert if I knew the performer espoused views against homosexuality, for example.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I'm not doing your homework.. Go back to where I first called you out. Claiming ignorance is not redemptive.

Wow, just wow how about when i first called you out for comparing manbla to gays. You seem to be ignoring that abuse.
.as i said, i can provide post numbers if it too difficult for you
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Saying it twice doesn't relieve you of your hateful comment about those who choose a homosexual lifestyle..
Oh man Kenny,you are just digging your hole even deeper and now you have raised questions about your own sexuality. For the majority one's sexual orientation is not a choice. Most tend to be fairly strongly heterosexual or homosexual. Homosexuality is not a lifestyle and it is not a choice. For most. It may be for you and that may also explain the homophobia that you have demonstrated here. I cannot say for sure. You may not be able to.

Instead of demonstrating hate for others you might want to take a deep look inside. There is nothing wrong with choosing to be straight if you have a choice. But it is wrong to attack others where they have no choice.
 
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