Climate change talks in Paris our 'last chance', say Pacific islands

[Quetzal]

Thankfully, this is all a fraud, right?

Climate change talks in Paris our 'last chance', say Pacific islands: 'This is not politics, it's survival'

 

[YmirGF]

Nice to know that hysterics are given a platform to bark at the moon.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Even if we stop using all oil, gas, coal tomorrow, the temperature will continue to rise for some time. Some islands may go under water and nothing can be done about it.

 

[Quetzal]

Even if we stop using all oil, gas, coal tomorrow, the temperature will continue to rise for some time. Some islands may go under water and nothing can be done about it.

That may be true, but should we let that theory prevent us from taking measures to help make sure it doesn't happen again? It is like one apartment being on fire and deciding not to call the fire department. "Why bother, it's already on fire. They can't save it."

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Are you ready to ride a bicycle and light your house with candles? Yes, some measures should be taken but it may be too late to stop all damage evenif we completely change our lifestyle.

 

[Quetzal]

Are you ready to ride a bicycle and light your house with candles? Yes, some measures should be taken but it may be too late to stop all damage evenif we completely change our lifestyle.

That isn't an excuse to do nothing.

 

[YmirGF]

I did get a chuckle about the idea of worrying about people who live 3 feet above sea level. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Quetzal]

I did get a chuckle about the idea of worrying about people who live 3 feet above sea level. What could possibly go wrong?

Are their lives less meaningful due to their geographic location?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Thankfully, this is all a fraud, right?

Climate change talks in Paris our 'last chance', say Pacific islands: 'This is not politics, it's survival'

Give me a break.

 

[BSM1]

More alarmist garbage. In the past 20+ years of this nonsense I don't think anyone can where GW/CC has been the direct cause of harm to one human being, eradication of any species, or the loss of even one acre of land. It's was and to this day remains a hoax. Suckers.

 

[Quetzal]

More alarmist garbage. In the past 20+ years of this nonsense I don't think anyone can where GW/CC has been the direct cause of harm to one human being, eradication of any species, or the loss of even one acre of land. It's was and to this day remains a hoax. Suckers.

Are these problems outlined by NASA also a hoax?

 

[YmirGF]

Are their lives less meaningful due to their geographic location?

No less than any other morons who are content living 3 feet above sea level... or those who live to like on the side of an active volcano... or live on a known flood plain... or build houses on islands that are often ravaged by hurricanes... or... or...

 

[Quetzal]

No less than any other morons who are content living 3 feet above sea level... or those who live to like on the side of an active volcano... or live on a known flood plain... or build houses on island that are often ravaged by hurricanes... or... or...

Should we discredit and condemn Haitians because they live in the path of Hurricanes? A family of four who lives in Oklahoma who gets their house wrecked by a tornado? Let's go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt and say the rising sea waters are coincidence (it isn't, but let's say it is). The nations in question are impoverished, where do you suggest those inhabitants go? They can't hop on their private jets and take off for better climates, you see. It is easy for you sit back in your nice house with internet; "Well, why don't they just leave?" It is rarely that simple.

 

[Curious George]

Thankfully, this is all a fraud, right?

Climate change talks in Paris our 'last chance', say Pacific islands: 'This is not politics, it's survival'

I will play the bad guy here to hash this out a little further.

What level of allegiance does the au or any other industrialized nation owe to these islands? As we see how far reaching our choices are, surely it gives us time to pause. But shouldn't each country ultimately make the choice for their self. And if in balancing 11k people who will likely need relocation even with the most drastic cuts, why would a country choose to take those drastic cuts? Why not simply move the people make the island higher.

 

[Quetzal]

I will play the bad guy here to hash this out a little further.

What level of allegiance does the au or any other industrialized nation owe to these islands? As we see how far reaching our choices are, surely it gives us time to pause. But shouldn't each country ultimately make the choice for their self. And if in balancing 11k people who will likely need relocation even with the most drastic cuts, why would a country choose to take those drastic cuts? Why not simply move the people make the island higher.

Let's face the few basic facts.

1. Unfortunately, it is too little too late. As already discussed even if the most drastic cuts are made, it probably will not bring the results needed.
2. Despite the cause, it appears the livelihood of several island nations are at risk due to rising sea water.
3. No nation has any obligation, period. Anything from here on out is good will on the nation willing to help them.

But let's remember, we can't all take the @YmirGF approach and say "It's their fault for being born there", the immediate problem will need to be addressed. Further, I believe it is important to continue to fund research to figure out exactly what is the cause (since the mountains of data already available just aren't enough for @BSM1 and company).

 

[Curious George]

Let's face the few basic facts.

1. Unfortunately, it is too little too late. As already discussed even if the most drastic cuts are made, it probably will not bring the results needed.
2. Despite the cause, it appears the livelihood of several island nations are at risk due to rising sea water.
3. No nation has any obligation, period. Anything from here on out is good will on the nation willing to help them.

But let's remember, we can't all take the @YmirGF approach and say "It's their fault for being born there", the immediate problem will need to be addressed. Further, I believe it is important to continue to fund research to figure out exactly what is the cause (since the mountains of data already available just aren't enough for @BSM1 and company).

I thought you were posing a larger ethical question regarding whether not decreasing with drastic measures and causing subsequent suffering in one's own nation is wrong considering the consequences to the islands is non-existence.

 

[Quetzal]

I thought you were posing a larger ethical question regarding whether not decreasing with drastic measures and causing subsequent suffering in one's own nation is wrong considering the consequences to the islands is non-existence.

Can you please rephrase your statement in a way that makes sense?

 

[Curious George]

Can you please rephrase your statement in a way that makes sense?

I thought you were saying these nations should do whatever is necessary to save the islands.

 

[Quetzal]

I thought you were saying these nations should do whatever is necessary to save the islands.

They should, but I think it is too little, too late. If the sea continues to rise as they predict, then we need to focus on the people and what their next step is.

 

[Curious George]

They should, but I think it is too little, too late. If the sea continues to rise as they predict, then we need to focus on the people and what their next step is.

Despite the loss of jobs or what such actions would do to their economies? It seems to me relocation is cheaper. Certainly it is not what the islanders would want, but what of that which the industrialized countries want? How do we weigh these wants, how do we decide which course of action is right?

Certainly saving the islands is not the only way to save the people of the island.