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Colt

Colt

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fantome profane said:
I am basing my opinion on the historical evidence. Not on religious dogma.

The Jews didn't have Jesus put to death. That is ridiculous. Regardless of what an evangelical tract written decades after the event might say. The Jews at the time did not give orders to the Romans
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You seem genuinely ignorant of a number of facts in the Bible. The Sanhedrin put Jesus on trial for their own reasons, found him guilty and sentenced Jesus to death BUT, under Roman occupation the Jews were not allowed to carry out the death penalty, so they had to go to Pilate. Pilate didn't find Jesus guilty but was a coward, he put the matter before the crowd then present in Jerusalem as it was the custom to release 1 prisoner for Passover. The crowd chose another, and the Romans put Jesus to death.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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cOLTER said:
Where is the Bible clear that a baby human isn't a human?
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Where is the Bible clear that a baby human isn't a person? would have been a better question. Various areas, and we are talking about babies, right? For example Leviticus 27 6 puts no value on a babies life until it is at least a month old.
 
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Father Heathen said:
If a fetus was considered a person, killing one would be seen as murder with the penalty of death, which these verses obviously suggest otherwise.
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Dang it, was he conflating fetuses and embryos with babies again? Oh well, even an actual baby was not valued for the first month of its life in the Bible. Though its parents would probably disagree.
 
Colt

Colt

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Subduction Zone said:
Where is the Bible clear that a baby human isn't a person? would have been a better question. Various areas, and we are talking about babies, right? For example Leviticus 27 6 puts no value on a babies life until it is at least a month old.
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Putting tithing values on people doesn't imply that a fetus isn't human.


Leviticus 27
English: King James Version

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27 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the LORD by thy estimation.

3 And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary.

4 And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.

5 And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels.

6 And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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cOLTER said:
Putting tithing values on people doesn't imply that a fetus isn't human.


Leviticus 27
English: King James Version

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27 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the LORD by thy estimation.

3 And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary.

4 And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.

5 And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels.

6 And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.
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We were talking about babies, or are you acknowledging your earlier error. The verse I sited implies that babies under a month old are not persons.
 
Colt

Colt

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Father Heathen said:
If a fetus was considered a person, killing one would be seen as murder with the penalty of death, which these verses obviously suggest otherwise.
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LoL! The same people who know that life began 4 billion years ago and evolved into humans from some sort of abiogenesis orgy can't figure out that a fetus is a human! LMFAO!
 
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Subduction Zone

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cOLTER said:
You seem genuinely ignorant of a number of facts in the Bible. The Sanhedrin put Jesus on trial for their own reasons, found him guilty and sentenced Jesus to death BUT, under Roman occupation the Jews were not allowed to carry out the death penalty, so they had to go to Pilate. Pilate didn't find Jesus guilty but was a coward, he put the matter before the crowd then present in Jerusalem as it was the custom to release 1 prisoner for Passover. The crowd chose another, and the Romans put Jesus to death.
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Citation needed. Apologist sites will not be accepted.
 
Colt

Colt

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Subduction Zone said:
We were talking about babies, or are you acknowledging your earlier error. The verse I sited implies that babies under a month old are not persons.
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There was no error, your Biblical quotes didn't say ANYTHING about babies not being persons or human.
 
Colt

Colt

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fantome profane said:
Stephen might disagree.
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Oh, so NOW you do take the scriptures as historically accurate?


Jesus’ Trial before Pilate

28 Jesus’ trial before Caiaphas ended in the early hours of the morning. Then he was taken to the headquarters of the Roman governor. His accusers didn’t go inside because it would defile them, and they wouldn’t be allowed to celebrate the Passover. 29 So Pilate, the governor, went out to them and asked, “What is your charge against this man?”

30 “We wouldn’t have handed him over to you if he weren’t a criminal!” they retorted.

31 “Then take him away and judge him by your own law,” Pilate told them.

“Only the Romans are permitted to execute someone,” the Jewish leaders replied. 32
 
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