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Combine socialism and capitalism

Kidblop

Member
Hello, friends. Sorry I haven't been around recently. Ive been working to improve my English skills. :D

I want to talk about the prospect of combining philosophical socialism and philosophical capitalism. Please do not mistake this with mixed market types of Europe and North America!! I say philosophical for a reason.

I wrote a little essay in my native language and had it translated by a friend.

Resources, being the product of natural events and not man's labor, are the property of all those who make a claim. The issuing of these resources should thus be determined through a democratic method. Upon completing the proper voting procedures, as determined by the community, the distribution of these resources should be enforced by public will, whether the decision be that the public holds particular resources in common, or they sell the resources to individuals.

Any mutual sale between two parties, in this case that of the individual and the community, can preclude restraints enacted by the community. It is then the right of the second party to accept this inclusion in the sale, or turn away and find other alternatives. Likewise, the community can engage in its own purchase of privately held resources if the democratic procedure is enacted according to the set boundaries that already exist.

By this very standard, any company held in commons should operate in commons. Public institutions are to be subject to democratic control both by the external community and those who participate in its functions. Private institutions, however, are to operate according to their mutual sales, abiding by any variable and fixed agreements.
I hope it got translated OK.

You see ive been studying socialism and capitalism for quite awhile now. I have my problems with both, and I have my loves for both. But I think the current way we combine the two just doesn't work, and letting them go on their own doesnt either!

So to summarize what I said above I believe that the community can act as a member of the market if it abides by democratic principles. The public institutions that are necessary but are troubled with bureaucracy can be resolved with a bottom-up socialist model. workers of these public services like schools should control their work places, not politicians and administrations. Although the tax payers should also have a say if they ever decide to!

however I believe private institutions should be able to operate according to their contract with the public! My example is here. A privately owned company can bargain to not have a union. It can't be forced to have a union unless its contract expires and needs to be renewed. This renewable contract can help the curve social ills by having the private company sit down with the community and discuss issues like environmental problems and overseas sweat shops. Agreements can be met between the two parties.

The market should also be more democratized and more free than it is now. Syndicates or work places that are taken over by the workers should be a legal option if the workers pool together their capital. we need to seriously reconsider the function of the stock market and corporations. these run counter to the principle of a free and democratic market.

I agree with capitalists that the more money the poor and working class keep to a degree the better, although social services are good too! we need to lower the tax rates by rejecting imperialist wars and reforming welfare so that its focused on temporary solutions for those willing to work if ABLE. Social security should be an option but not mendatory and it should not be raided by the government for those who want to keep it! the income tax could be replaced with a progressive sales tax that taxes consumption. i also think the banking system needs to be completely socialized so that the interests of both growing wealth and the suffering individual are at stake.

basically what im looking for is an environment where democracy and individuals work together, where competition and cooperation breed a healthy environment.

Lastly I believe we need to shift a fokus towards direct democracy. at the very least a Swiss model.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Lastly I believe we need to shift a fokus towards direct democracy. at the very least a Swiss model.

The Swiss model has produced the most draconian protection of financial and business privacy that exists.

The business world in Switzerland is so secret it can not be questioned or investigated.
Whistle blowers can be imprisoned for life.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
I've been looking into the subject of democratic corporations, and it just makes sense. Corporations that enjoy the benefits of stock trading and personhood should be held accountable to the public democratically by stakeholders, not just stockholders. The question is: would business owners adopt a corporate identity if it could mean the end to [SIZE=-1]artistocratic top-down work place? I'd think so, since the benefits to being a corporation are clear. Also, coupled with kidblop's suggestion of holding corporations to their charters...


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Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I've been looking into the subject of democratic corporations, and it just makes sense. Corporations that enjoy the benefits of stock trading and personhood should be held accountable to the public democratically by stakeholders, not just stockholders. The question is: would business owners adopt a corporate identity if it could mean the end to [SIZE=-1]artistocratic top-down work place? I'd think so, since the benefits to being a corporation are clear. Also, coupled with kidblop's suggestion of holding corporations to their charters...


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In Germany Main supervisory boards must reserve places for the representative Directors of the community and the employees.... Germany is a Capitalist democracy, with many socialist characteristics.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
In Germany Main supervisory boards must reserve places for the representative Directors of the community and the employees.... Germany is a Capitalist democracy, with many socialist characteristics.

Yeah, but I wouldn't exactly call their corporations "democracies." Nor are they close to the being a direct democracy. I think kidblop is suggesting corporations be run in a socialist manner, from bottom-up, and that private enterprise like partnerships and sole proprietorships operate like they do now. Could be wrong though. I hope he adds more to the discussion.

The problem I have with the Swiss model is that it still relies on executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government. Most of the operations of a state do not serve the interest of the people: just let people be. Direct Democracy can handle most of the moral and economic issues. If there needs to be decision-making, delegates are a better alternative to representatives. Get the job done and be out of there.
 

yossarian22

Resident Schizophrenic
Yeah, but I wouldn't exactly call their corporations "democracies."
Not in the traditional 1 man, 1 vote sort of way, but they are democracies.
Your influence in the company is determined by how much you have invested into the company.
 
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