Comey's Testimony

[Nakosis]

That is incorrect. He told Sessions that from now on, he had to be between him and Trump, and explained to Rosenstein that the President's interactions with him were inappropriate. The DOJ then, needed to bring these concerns to Trump.

Comey also explains here and elsewhere that he didn't specifically mention the Flynn conversation since doing so could jeopardize possible investigations.

And how did any of this correct Trump?

 

[Callisto]

Sorry, I've no expectation of defeating your certainty.

Also immaterial to the discussion. Nor do I care.

 

[Falvlun]

But there is years of experience in dealing with this sort of thing.

No, you have not dealt with this sort of thing before, at this level with these stakes. You have no clue if your assumptions are correct and have offered no reasons to except them, except your say so. Furthermore, there is evidence that contradicts your poorly supported assumptions, further making it nonsensical to accept them.

Trump implied there were tapes about said conversation so I don't know what you are talking about.

You are misinformed.

Trump has denied the Flynn conversation.

"Asked during a news conference in the White House whether he “at any time urge[d] former FBI director James Comey in any way, shape or form to close or to back down the investigation into Michael Flynn,” Trump responded flatly, “no.”

Trumps tweet about tapes was in regards to conversations in general and didn't specifically mention the Flynn conversation, and implies that the tapes would show Comey to be wrong about what was said.

"“James Comey better hope that there are no ‘tapes’ of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!” the president tweeted yesterday."

Something to take up after he's been convicted of a crime. I suppose we could continue to speculate though.

The possibility of this crime is currently being investigated by the United States Congress.

This is a little bit bigger than just some mistake. Even if it is deemed to not be criminal, it was certainly serious and concerning to a lot of very high level people.

Yes

No

Depends really. The lie, the circumstances. Can't really say yes or no for a generalized statement like this.

That's a personal decision. You choose to be honest or not. Dishonestly is pretty rampant. Kind of foolish to expect honesty in the business environment, unfortunately.
I'd say it's unrealistic to assume a blind trust is a blind trust. Successful business folks are smarter than the average law maker. Whatever legal contract/laws you want to put in place, they'll find some way around it.

Yes, I know. Idealism is endless.

I am thankful that most people disagree with you.

 

[Nakosis]

Also immaterial to the discussion. Nor do I care.

I didn't think you would. And I don't mean to be offensive but there's a few too many assumptions for me to deal with.

Yes, it's my opinion. Yes, it's my assumption based on what I've experienced for myself. No, I am not making excuses for Trump, I am just saying that none of this seems particularly unusual for me.

I've been a manager for a while. I've had to deal with unlikable CEOs and bosses. I don't know that I'm right in this case, but I usually am.

 

[Falvlun]

And how did any of this correct Trump?

Ask the DOJ. It was their responsibility after Comey explained the issue to them. It was likely not Comey's place to correct the President, so he went to those whose job it was. Your statement that he did nothing has been proven wrong.

 

[Falvlun]

I wouldn't trust Comey not to pee on his own shoes at the urinal, much less give honest testimony.

This is a guy who Democrats hated with a passion and even directly blamed for the loss of Clinton in the 2016 election, with his meddling and bizarre announcements. He fuzzily navigated through the Trump transition and Russia investigation and could've been fired for incompetence numerous times before the hammer did fall. But now people on the Left are giddy to believe anything he says, simply because of the longshot of an impeachment hearing? I understand if people dislike Trump, but theses machinations are ripping the country apart.

There was a reason that Ford pardoned Nixon. Many people hated the move at the time, but in the end, it may've been the wisest thing Ford ever did as president. The country needs to heal. The country needs better leaders. We have to get rid of people like Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Anthony Weiner, Mark Sanford, etc. Listening to the testimony of James Comey like it's gospel is disgusting.

So you believe that Comey just perjured himself? Why?

If Comey was fired for unacceptable work, that is acceptable. The problem is that Trump stated that the Russian investigation was a factor in his decision to fire Comey. That is unacceptable. Trump did this to himself.

 

[tytlyf]

GOP meda is already spinning everything. Rush and Hannity on the radio were going insane. Which is telling that it wasn't a good day for Trumpanzees.

Comey explained exactly how Russia interfered in our election. It's the same thing I said months ago.

 

[Falvlun]

GOP meda is already spinning everything. Rush and Hannity on the radio were going insane. Which is telling that it wasn't a good day for Trumpanzees.

Comey explained exactly how Russia interfered in our election. It's the same thing I said months ago.

Hopefully this can put to rest the idea that we don't really know whether Russia influenced our election or not.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is no longer speculation. Russia influenced our election "with sophistication" and it's a Big Deal.

 

[Nakosis]

No, you have not dealt with this sort of thing before, at this level with these stakes. You have no clue if your assumptions are correct and have offered no reasons to except them, except your say so. Furthermore, there is evidence that contradicts your poorly supported assumptions, further making it nonsensical to accept them.

You've no idea what I've dealt with. Your evidence is someone else's say so, so just as nonsensical. Poorly supported because you don't have the experience I have.

You are misinformed.

Trump has denied the Flynn conversation.

"Asked during a news conference in the White House whether he “at any time urge[d] former FBI director James Comey in any way, shape or form to close or to back down the investigation into Michael Flynn,” Trump responded flatly, “no.”

Trumps tweet about tapes was in regards to conversations in general and didn't specifically mention the Flynn conversation, and implies that the tapes would show Comey to be wrong about what was said.

"“James Comey better hope that there are no ‘tapes’ of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!” the president tweeted yesterday."


The possibility of this crime is currently being investigated by the United States Congress.

This is a little bit bigger than just some mistake. Even if it is deemed to not be criminal, it was certainly serious and concerning to a lot of very high level people.
I am thankful that most people disagree with you.

Wow, well I guess it did take a while for this discourse to get to this point of ridiculousness. Your righteousness is unassailable. I suppose it'd be useless to point out how none of this counters what I've said.

So you win through attrition. I'm just not enough of a fanatic to continue.

 

[Callisto]

I didn't think you would. And I don't mean to be offensive but there's a few too many assumptions for me to deal with.

Yes, it's my opinion. Yes, it's my assumption based on what I've experienced for myself. No, I am not making excuses for Trump, I am just saying that none of this seems particularly unusual for me.

I've been a manager for a while. I've had to deal with unlikable CEOs and bosses. I don't know that I'm right in this case, but I usually am.

Perhaps you're making assumptions, however, I stated my opinion on known facts. Trump's problems are not due to not having been a politician previously. After all, he (more than anyone) deems himself to be shrewd, able to read people and situations - the supreme deal maker. "No one knows more than me, believe me." Also, he's not the first president who came from a non-political background.

Furthermore, this isn't the first time but the FOURTH time he contemplated or ran for the presidency. For 30 years he's had this goal plus a long history of publicly opining on political matters. He didn't just suddenly decide on a career change and hired for a job before he knew what it was about. It's pretty sad that in the three decades since his first effort that he hasn't endeavored to grasp the intricacies of the presidency. With an army of consultants and advisors each time, no less.

Bottom line, an individual doesn't go from in a vacuum to suddenly becoming POTUS. And, as a high-profile businessman who's made plans for the position before and has been in the press time and again for over 30 years with his political opinons, he most certainly should be aware of how badly the optics would be on anything that would even smack of questionable actions.

 

[Falvlun]

You've no idea what I've dealt with. Your evidence is someone else's say so, so just as nonsensical. Poorly supported because you don't have the experience I have.

My evidence is the President's own words, and the official explanation, as well as the fact that your explanation has no supporting evidence, and is contradicted by things we know, such as Comey taking measures to correct the President, and that the President denies the Flynn conversation occurred.

You have your experience. I have no way of verifying your experience so I have no reason to accept it.

Wow, well I guess it did take a while for this discourse to get to this point of ridiculousness. Your righteousness is unassailable. I suppose it'd be useless to point out how none of this counters what I've said.

So you win through attrition. I'm just not enough of a fanatic to continue.

My goal was to correct the record, with verifiable evidence. If it was not edifying for you, I hope it helps others who may also be confused.

 

[Grumpuss]

So you believe that Comey just perjured himself? Why?

Because he said quite a bit in direct opposite in his last May testimony before Congress to what he said today.

Comey Admits Under Oath That Obstructions To Investigations "Never Happened" | Zero Hedge

So previously, he said he "was never pressured to end an investigation for political purposes" and today he delivers testimony that he had. What's changed ? Nothing, except the guy was fired in the interim.

If Comey was fired for unacceptable work, that is acceptable. The problem is that Trump stated that the Russian investigation was a factor in his decision to fire Comey. That is unacceptable. Trump did this to himself.

I don't really care. The director of the FBI serves at the pleasure of the President, and is under direct control of the executive branch. He's not an independent office.

Yes, it looks bad to fire someone for incompetence in the midst of an investigation into the president's staff. But let's not forget that this is a guy that the Left hated all the way up until January - February of this year, when it appeared he could be a useful tool. If Hillary Clinton had won the last election, he probably would've been fired by her, and then called upon by Republicans in Congress to give up dirt on her. And Comey, idiot that he is, probably would've shown up, acting hurt about that one...

 

[tytlyf]

What I didn't expect, not having seen Senator John McCain for quite some time, is how addled he's become. Arizona voters would have done the guy and the nation a favor by retiring him years ago.

I noticed that too, his mind is going. Wasn't making any sense with the whole Clinton/Trump investigation timeline.
Conservatives keep voting in the GOP Rino's for some reason. And they'll complain about who they elected after the fact.

 

[Koldo]

@Nakosis

I would love to read your reply to this post:

Have you ever told your boss to put an instruction in writing... you would be shown the way out faster than you could say fired.

 

[Nakosis]

@Nakosis

I would love to read your reply to this post:

My reply is, you're damn right. Especially if I disagree with it. My boss is my boss. Ultimately they make the decision. Truth is usually my boss will back down at that point. They are the boss, they need to know they are accountable for their decision. Just as I am accountable for any choices I make on my own.

Personally, I write down instructions and go into whatever detail someone working for me feels is necessary. I ask, do you understand, do you have any questions. If I have any question, if I have any concerns, I'm going to voice them. My concern is not about me, or my boss. It for all the folks who work with me and are gong to have to deal with decision I make and my boss makes.

However there's no need to be rude about it. Just accept it as standard business practice. We are, ideally, all just trying to get the job done to the best of our individual ability. maybe that's not always true but seem the best way to approach it.

What is my boss going to do? Fire me for trying to make sure the job gets done the best way possible.

 

[Nakosis]

My goal was to correct the record, with verifiable evidence. If it was not edifying for you, I hope it helps others who may also be confused.

No worries, actually it was quite edifying.

 

[Koldo]

My reply is, you're damn right. Especially if I disagree with it. My boss is my boss. Ultimately they make the decision. Truth is usually my boss will back down at that point. They are the boss, they need to know they are accountable for their decision. Just as I am accountable for any choices I make on my own.

Personally, I write down instructions and go into whatever detail someone working for me feels is necessary. I ask, do you understand, do you have any questions. If I have any question, if I have any concerns, I'm going to voice them. My concern is not about me, or my boss. It for all the folks who work with me and are gong to have to deal with decision I make and my boss makes.

However there's no need to be rude about it. Just accept it as standard business practice. We are, ideally, all just trying to get the job done to the best of our individual ability. maybe that's not always true but seem the best way to approach it.

What is my boss going to do? Fire me for trying to make sure the job gets done the best way possible.

"Have you ever told your boss to put an instruction in writing" ?

 

[Nakosis]

"Have you ever told your boss to put an instruction in writing" ?

I suppose I should have just said yes.

 

[Mister_T]

GOP meda is already spinning everything. Rush and Hannity on the radio were going insane. Which is telling that it wasn't a good day for Trumpanzees.

Comey explained exactly how Russia interfered in our election. It's the same thing I said months ago.

I'm confused with the premature victory laps Trump supporters are taking today. Apparently they aren't reading things in context or are unfamiliar with how an investigation works? Usually you wait for the investigation to conclude before celebrating.

 

[esmith]

I'm confused with the premature victory laps Trump supporters are taking today. Apparently they aren't reading things in context or are unfamiliar with how an investigation works? Usually you wait for the investigation to conclude before celebrating.

and I'm surprised at the premature victory laps the anti-Trump crowd is taking.

So, I have a suggestion.
Forget about what is going on, it will not make any difference in anyone's lives; that is if they have any beyond ranting and raving about the entire matter.