Common Turn Offs in discussing your religion or beliefs

[Unveiled Artist]

Oh. Another turn off!

1. I hate drop off conversations.

I read everyones post (probably one of the rare ones who do). If I dont understand, Id say so. RF supposed to be a place to discuss. I think I remember only one full conversation I had on RF. Heated. Misinterpreted. Scripture floaded. All the above that it was, we held on to one last thread. Then he said one sentence and I thought "by gosh! Why didnt you say that before?". Convo ended on a good note.

2. I hate not asking for clarification before making an assumption.

"But you said in post 77 that all catholics are just like you"

Rewind.

"No, I said all catholics have different relationships with christ. Based on my exeperience, some just like me"

3. Indirect insults (the use of some; many; a lot) to cover up "people like yourself"

Be bold. Make direct statements. You dont like catholicism? Say it. Dont beat around the bush. You insult the religion, you insult the people who practice it. You hate the people practicing it, because you hate their religion.

No. Not the people as humans. But people as catholics.

If you can say this person is going to hell, why leave it there? Say it nicely. Tell them not them as a person. Them as a catholic. Call it quits.

It will save A LOT of posts.

4. Stop with the exclusions.

Option 1: yes
Option 2: no

But these two dont apply to me or both of them apply.

Dont answer the question.

 

[paarsurrey]

An instant turn-off for me is when a person tells me that the Jews are blind and don't understand their own religion (or their Messiah).
Our bible is written in Hebrew and is unchanged from when it was originally given to us by G-d. We are fanatical about keeping our new copies exact to the original. We are called the "People of the Book" for a reason. So it annoys me when someone comes with different bible written thousands of years after our bible, and claims theirs is the true bible that we should give authority to.
It annoys me when a person that has no knowledge of Hebrew attempts to instruct native Hebrew speakers about the "true" meanings of Hebrew words.

Yet the inner-contents of Torah suggests otherwise:

Yechezkel - Ezekiel - Chapter 22:26-28
26Her priests robbed My Torah and profaned My holy things; they did not distinguish between holy and profane, neither did they let them know [the difference] between unclean and clean, and they hid their eyes from My Sabbaths, and I was profaned in their midst.
27Her princes in her midst are like wolves tearing prey, to shed blood, to destroy souls, for the sake of dishonest gain.
28And her prophets plastered for them with daub, prophesy futility, and divine for them falsehoods. They say, 'So said the Lord God,' but the Lord did not speak.
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16120​

How did the Jewish clergy rob Torah of Yahweh?
Regards

 

[Twilight Hue]

Most cases it's the impulse for mindless parroting. Repeated quoting and such from " authoritave" sources which may or may not apply to a particular case as being authoritave or revelent.

It's a turn off that while some quoting might be used and at times useful to get points across, there are others who consistently rely on quotes, scriptures so much, it would be more practible and useful to hold a conversation with a book than a person that's so engrossed, there seems to be no independent thought and opinion past what's consistanly being put forth.

 

[McBell]

Yet the inner-contents of Torah suggests otherwise:

Yechezkel - Ezekiel - Chapter 22:26-28
26Her priests robbed My Torah and profaned My holy things; they did not distinguish between holy and profane, neither did they let them know [the difference] between unclean and clean, and they hid their eyes from My Sabbaths, and I was profaned in their midst.
27Her princes in her midst are like wolves tearing prey, to shed blood, to destroy souls, for the sake of dishonest gain.
28And her prophets plastered for them with daub, prophesy futility, and divine for them falsehoods. They say, 'So said the Lord God,' but the Lord did not speak.
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16120​

How did the Jewish clergy rob Torah of Yahweh?
Regards

Interesting assumption.
Especially given that the vast majority of people back then could not read or write.

 

[paarsurrey]

Interesting assumption.
Especially given that the vast majority of people back then could not read or write.

It is in the Jewish Scripture,link provided.
Regards

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Oh. Another turn off!

1. I hate drop off conversations.

FWIW, that will sometimes happen in conversations with me.

I heard some advice a while back that I've taken to heart: when you're in an online debate or discussion, every now and then, ask yourself "why am I posting here?" If I can think of a reason ("I'm enjoying the discussion", "I'm getting good debating practice", "I think I'm getting through to this guy"... whatever it is), then great - I keep going. If I can't think of a reason, then I just stop posting.

Also, with my volunteer stuff, I'll often find myself busy for 3-4 days at a time, and then when I come back to RF, the threads I was participating in are buried and I forget about them.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

FWIW, that will sometimes happen in conversations with me.

I heard some advice a while back that I've taken to heart: when you're in an online debate or discussion, every now and then, ask yourself "why am I posting here?" If I can think of a reason ("I'm enjoying the discussion", "I'm getting good debating practice", "I think I'm getting through to this guy"... whatever it is), then great - I keep going. If I can't think of a reason, then I just stop posting.

Also, with my volunteer stuff, I'll often find myself busy for 3-4 days at a time, and then when I come back to RF, the threads I was participating in are buried and I forget about them.

Pretty much. Until a year down the line member Joe post a harsh opinion on a thread and/or post that you didnt know was resurrected until that dead thread was revived.

Then for me it gets into a debate of clarifying what my position on the point was rather than the topic/op itself. Paying interest before the principal.

 

[Deidre]

For me lately, it's in talking with atheists who knew me as an atheist, and now that I've returned to faith, talk down to me. lol It's like...I'm the same person I was then, but they now act with an air of superiority and as though I'm stupid all of a sudden. I've decided to no longer discuss my religious beliefs too often and openly anymore, because it doesn't matter what others think of my beliefs, it only matters what I think.

 

[Revoltingest]

For me lately, it's in talking with atheists who knew me as an atheist, and now that I've returned to faith, talk down to me. lol It's like...I'm the same person I was then, but they now act with an air of superiority and as though I'm stupid all of a sudden. I've decided to no longer discuss my religious beliefs too often and openly anymore, because it doesn't matter what others think of my beliefs, it only matters what I think.

Of course, some of us heathens don't look down upon you for your switch.
(I'm so clueless that I was unaware of the former status or change until now.)

 

[Deidre]

Of course, some of us heathens don't look down upon you for your switch.
(I'm so clueless that I was unaware of the former status or change until now.)

You're a good egg

It doesn't happen on here really, well maybe one or two who treat me differently, but more so in offline life, and on another forum. Sometimes, humans disappoint. :/

 

[Revoltingest]

You're a good egg

It doesn't happen on here really, well maybe one or two who treat me differently, but more so in offline life, and on another forum. Sometimes, humans disappoint. :/

The real world....ugh!
So filled with humans, unlike us superior 'Turing tests'.
I quote it because it would be harder for a human to pass as one of us, rather than vice versa.

 

[Tumah]

Sermons.
When the response should be correctly called an essay by the poster waxing eloquent about his religious beliefs, I usually just respond with an "ok" and move on.

 

[Deidre]

The real world....ugh!
So filled with humans, unlike us superior 'Turing tests'.
I quote it because it would be harder for a human to pass as one of us, rather than vice versa.

I wish I could laugh about it, but...maybe soon, I will be able to.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

One turn-off that comes to mind: when people think that their special, unique beliefs negate points about general trends and overall impacts of religion: "what you're saying doesn't apply to my mystic neo-Kemetic monist polypandeism (regardless of whether it was ever meant to), so it has no validity whatsoever!"

 

[Milton Platt]

Best I can think of...when it resembles "let's discuss your religion according to the straw-man or juvenile version I perceive/have heard of/was spoon-fed..." it is a turn-off. Could still turn out fruitful, informative, etc. just not as likely.

It is unusual if someone can actually clearly define the beliefs and parameters of their religion. This is something I have noted especially with Christians. When you ask them to do so, they are very vague. When you cross an invisible line during the conversation you get "that's not my religion" or "That's not my god". Each Christian has his own specially tweaked version.

 

[Deidre]

Another turn off is when discussing the faith with fellow Christians, and they feel that every conversation is a battle to be won. For the Lord, I'm guessing? lol
If they only knew what damage they're doing in sharing their faith message. It is why so many people dislike Christianity, because of the self-righteous/holier than thou way, many Christians come off as...

 

[jeager106]

Another turn off is when discussing the faith with fellow Christians, and they feel that every conversation is a battle to be won. For the Lord, I'm guessing? lol
If they only knew what damage they're doing in sharing their faith message. It is why so many people dislike Christianity, because of the self-righteous/holier than thou way, many Christians come off as...

Ewwwwww. I dislike most born again ones. They seem to feel the "holy spirit" descended upon
them and only then.

 

[Sees]

It is unusual if someone can actually clearly define the beliefs and parameters of their religion. This is something I have noted especially with Christians. When you ask them to do so, they are very vague. When you cross an invisible line during the conversation you get "that's not my religion" or "That's not my god". Each Christian has his own specially tweaked version.

One part of it is just nature of the beast, it's hard to express a lot of religious, spiritual, etc. thoughts and experiences - even if you think you have a good idea what you wish to say, conveying it to others in words that make sense can be very rough. Another is audience type can make people a lot more cautious.

Wishing to refrain from speaking for others (nobody truly does) is fine with me, since most simply aren't a combo of extremely gifted orator and apologist...most wouldn't want the pressure to represent a whole tradition or community.

I do think people have their own version of X religion if we are especially focusing on belief system/ideologies, and it is a good thing. To me, religion being the memorizing of the textbook o'Truth and then presenting some of the contents on demand/as needed is a very strange concept folks concocted. That any is a closed system of a sort is an imagination.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

No true scotsman would ever grease themselves.

FU

 

[McBell]

It is in the Jewish Scripture,link provided.
Regards

Which completely ignores the point I brought up.
Nice try though.