Communsm In Ambush

[ahmetcelik]

Communism has stamped its mark on the 20th century-a mark of aggression and cruelty, bloodshed and tears. Historians have estimated that its ideology has caused the death of 120 million people since the Russian Revolution of 1917. These casualties include not only soldiers killed on battlefields, but citizens murdered by their own governments. The whole world has seen the pitiless slaughter carried out by Communist leaders. One hundred million men and women, from the elderly to young people and infants, lost their lives to this cold, hard, savage ideology. Communist regimes have deprived tens of millions of their most basic rights and freedoms, ejecting people from their homes and systematically subjecting them to famines, slavery in labor camps and imprisonment. Millions have been the targets of Communist guerilla groups and terrorist organizations, and still others have lived in the fear of becoming targets for their bullets.



What are this ideology's roots? Where was Communism born? How did such a cruel, bloodthirsty worldview find adherents and supporters throughout the world? Why did it come to power and flourish, dragging millions in its wake? How did it come to an end, with the collapse of the Soviet Union? Or has it really ended, or does it still threaten every country on earth?



Does this serious threat still exist in the world? Regrettably, yes. Communism is waiting in ambush!



This well of bloodshed, which has cost the lives of 120 million, still exists. Communism has covered the top of the well to conceal its insidious activities and camouflaged its surroundings, setting it as a trap for the unwary. Its outward appearance may have changed, its adherents' names may be different, but it still awaits an opportunity to wreak pain on humanity once again, as it has in the past. This book's vitally important purpose is to rip the mask off this insidious and growing threat and reveal the true face of the Communist ideology that has caused so much pain and trouble.



http://www.harunyahya.com/communism01.php

 

[Mister Emu]

Is there a question? A debate? Or is this a plug for your book?

 

[michel]

Well, I am going to take it as a debate, since it is in this 'slot' of the forum.


I believe that Communism, in it's original ideological sense, is one of the purest forms of a self supporting ' look after each other' form of politic.

I always remember the quote Mum used to use "If you're no a communist by the age of eighteen, you've no heart - if you are still a Communist by the age of twent five, you've no brain"

I think that encapsulates the demonstration of the fact that the pure ideals of communism are wonderful - and very Christian, in nature - if you think about it; a commune where every individual contributes to the whole, so that no one goes without.

That is the stumbling block though; because real life isn't a world of Ideologies - it is a world of harsh realities - the communist 'everyone is equal' in practise turns out like e'everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others'.

I suppose I can even lay some claim to being a sufferer of the revolution - my Maternal great-grandfather was an white Russian immigrant to this country; he came here in a hurry and with nothing but his clothes, if I understand correctly.

The older forum members will no doubt remember the 'There's a Red under your Bed' thing of the fifties and sixties, in your country; and all I can say is that for what was a communist country, The ex USSR has made a bit of a fast change into right-wing racketeering and the creation of an entrepreneurial atmosphere..........:jam:

McDonalds in Russia; Levi Jeans - Unheard of!!Pah!!!:biglaugh:

 

[Yerda]

the pure ideals of communism are wonderful - and very Christian, in nature - if you think about it; a commune where every individual contributes to the whole, so that no one goes without.

There is the opinion amongst some historians that communism is in-fact born from Christianity. The introduction to the current Penguin edition of the Communist Manifesto I believe describes it as a failed post-Christian religion.

The ideals of equality, social justice, protecting the poor etc sound very much like the teachings of my Catholic school teachers.

 

[Melody]

I always remember the quote Mum used to use "If you're no a communist by the age of eighteen, you've no heart - if you are still a Communist by the age of twent five, you've no brain"

At 18 I thought communism was a beautiful political system. By 25 I'd learned that it really is....if you remove the human element.

I've often wondered why it is so hard for people to do the "right" thing by their fellow man.

 

[michel]

At 18 I thought communism was a beautiful political system. By 25 I'd learned that it really is....if you remove the human element.

I've often wondered why it is so hard for people to do the "right" thing by their fellow man.

Ah, "If you removed the human element" - I agree that is the whole point; the only thing wrong with mankind is man.

I still think someone put me on the wrong flight.............:biglaugh:

 

[huajiro]

I believe that Communism, in it's original ideological sense, is one of the purest forms of a self supporting ' look after each other' form of politic.


I think that encapsulates the demonstration of the fact that the pure ideals of communism are wonderful - and very Christian, in nature - if you think about it; a commune where every individual contributes to the whole, so that no one goes without.

I agree.....I grew up hearing about how bad Communism was (what else would they promote in a capitalistic country), and I always found myself wondering "what could be so bad about something revolving around a commune or communion, or community?"

The truth is that true Communism would work, but it will never happen. There is always someone wanting more who throws it out of balance. That, or some dictator promoting equality for everyone else, with him on top controlling it.

The only truly communist society has never existed, nor will it ever. There is always someone leading it, and a leader cannot be equal.

 

[Quoth The Raven]

Gee, maybe the 'worldview' found adherents because the 'worldview' isn't cruel and bloodthirsty.
Anything can be perverted...all the evils that have been done in the name of God over the centuries don't negate Christianity as a religion based on love.
Communist Russia hasn't had a monopoly on killing large numbers of it's own citizens, either.

 

[Ori]

Communism is a trojan horse.

 

[Quoth The Raven]

Communism is a trojan horse.

What,made of wood and chock full of Greek men with swords?

 

[Valjean]

Communism is wonderful in small societies -- communes, collectives. Unfortunately, in the larger world, too many people in the general populace are poorly socialized and self-serving.

 

[LongGe123]

dammit I can't believe this happened. I just wrote an absolutely massive reply in which I'm sure I tore down everything the original poster said, and then the damned internet screwed up, a massive error message came up and everything I'd written disappeared! Un-freakin-believable. I'll never conjure up all that razz-a-ma-tazz again!

OK. So basically in a nutshell what I had said was, you can't talk of Communism as the only thing in history to have caused suffering. Capitalist governments have brought just as much pain, death and suffering across the world as Communist ones, if not more. The examples (which I explained at length the first time I tried) I used were the British Empire and the USA. Two countries responsible for the slaughter and oppression of native peoples, the invasion of sovereign nations, the enslavement of different people's, although mainly Africans it must be said. Christianity also as a religion has dragged its miserable presence all over the world trying to convert people, coercing them in many cases. Crusades in the middle east, the Spanish Inquisition, both examples of Christian aggression and cruelty. I've seen the instruments of torture used by the Spanish Inquisition, scary stuff I can tell you.

Unfortunately for Communism though, history is written by the winners and since Communism didn't win historically speaking, it's always put into a bad light. As others have already said Communism was supposed to be a reaction to the apparent suffering of countless workers across Europe, although mainly in Britain. In Britain the workers were the very foundation of Britain's power and strength across the globe and yet they were treated like crap, paid peanuts and lived in terrible conditions. They were branded as traitors and deported to Australia if they spoke out against this.

History records the righteousness of Capitalism and the evils of Communism and anything linked to it or similar to it. I'm not saying the bad stuff in Communist countries didn't happen and I'm not trying to make it sound acceptable either, but still. It's ridiculous to act as though it's the only thing in the world that has resulted in the suffering of people.

I've lived in China now for 5 months, which isn't a long time I know but still I feel I understand more now the nature of Communism, or at least China's particular brand of Communism. China, the world's biggest and arguably most powerful Communist nation, is not truly by definition Communist, but still the Communist Party are large and in charge. If what you say is true, then China is waiting in ambush to convert the rest of Asia then the world to its Communist values. This is complete nonsense in my view.

China is by no means perfect, and has serious issues to confront in its own society if it wants to enter a more central role on the world stage, but still, in this great Communist country you get the feel of the true modern Chinese spirit. This spirit is one that yearns for peace, stability and prosperity. China doesn't want war, it doesn't want to fight any more. China has been in turmoil for the last 100 years and now it finally has the chance for lasting stability and peace, a chance to enter a golden age. Tell me why would they want to ruin their dream by starting World War III to impose Communism on those in the West or elsewhere?

Communism is not something to fear and not something to be fought and destroyed. It is something that is here and now in the world, so we must find a way to co-exist with it. Remember that Communists are humans too, they want the same fundamental things that every human wants, to live per chance to dream and realise their dreams. As any history will tell you, atrocities in the past are so often the result of one madman's vision of what something should be, but Communism by its very definition is not truly so when one madman is trying to realise his vision.

So I think I made my point (again), but I'm still sure my previous post was better. Think twice before pinning all the world's suffering on Communism.

 

[Yerda]

China is by no means perfect, and has serious issues to confront in its own society if it wants to enter a more central role on the world stage, but still, in this great Communist country you get the feel of the true modern Chinese spirit.

Any country that removes the right of workers to strike and imprisons people for 50-odd year terms for protesting while actively pursuing the most repugnant forms of capitalism (i.e. sweatshops) cannot call itself communist, socialist, or democratic, but should reserve the title despotism.

Anyway, here's a little snippet of Alan McCombes' pamphlet Two Worlds Collide.

The small Caribbean states of Cuba and Haiti are near neighbours. The stretch of sea that separates the two countries, the Windward Passage, is shorter than the stretch of sea that separates Shetland (Scottish isle) from the Scottish mainland.

Both countries have minerals and other natural resources. Cuba has cobalt, nickel, iron ore, chromium, copper, salt, timber, silica, and petroleum. It also produces sugar, tobacco, citrus, coffee, rice, potatoes and beans. Haiti has beauxite, copper, calcium carbonate, gold, marble, wood, and hydropower. Its agricultural sector produces coffee, mangoes, sugar cane, rice, corn and sorghum.

For almost half a century, one of these countries has organised its economy collectively. As a punishment, it has been subjected to a 46-year blockade by its giant neighbour to the north, the United States of America.

The other country has operated on the principles of the free market. As a reward, it was lavished with more than $1 billion in direct aid from the US over the same period.

So which country has a life expectancy of 77 years, compared with just 53 for its neighbour? In which country does a woman live 24 years longer? Which country has an infant mortality rate 12 times lower? Which country has a literacy rate of 97 per cent, in contrast to a literacy rate of just 53 per cent across the water?

The answer to all of these questions is, of course Cuba, one of the few countries where poverty and starvation are almost unknown.

In Haiti, 80 per cent of the population live in extreme poverty, on less than £1 a day. Half of Haitian children under five are malnourished. Unemployment in Haiti stands at around 70 per cent, in contrast to just 2.5 per cent unemployment on the island across the Windward Passage.

Haiti is an extremely poor country, even by latin American standards. Its destitution has been magnified by the repeated interference of the US - most recently in February 2004, when it helped orchestrate a coup against the elected government of President Aristide after he began to stand up for the poor against big business.

But on every measurement of health, education, life expectancy, infant mortality, poverty, and general quality of life, Cuba beats hands down not just Haiti, but Jamaica, the Dominican Republic, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua and the countries of Cebtral America and the Caribbean.

Now if this is indeed true, and I am prepared to take Mr McCombes on his word for now, is it not a spectacular advertisement for socialist economics? You see, in Cuba you might not get the chance to own Gucci handbags, or Italian sportscars but you don't starve and you do work. This is all in the face of a huge US sponsored embargo of the countries produce.

It isn't perfect by any means, Castro's inarcertaion of prisoners of conscience is deplorable and the lack of democracy is awful, but there is a lesson here.