Skwim
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Comparison between the most religious country vs. the least religious country in the world
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johnsweeting
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I'm looking at the web If i can find the stats I found when I did the paper 7 years ago.
I will post it when I find it. I know that Sweden though is reporting everything. I found another site:
Total crimes statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime
Here you can see for example India who has almost 1,25 billion people..Sweden has 9,4 million which is 133 times smaller than India. This is even a better example than Pakistan..
India total reported crimes: 1,764,630
Sweden total reported crime: 1,234,784
You wold think a country that is more violent than Sweden has much more crime with also 133 times more population. Once again in Sweden everything is reported. If someone breaks a window in a Subway..then that is considered a crime and reported even though you don't know who did it.
Can you with a straight face say that Sweden has almost 133 times (13300%), thirteen thousand three hundred percent more crime than India.
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Maya3
Well-Known Member
Often there may be religious reasons why people don't want to admit suicide, in some religions it's concidered a bad sin that prevents people from going to heaven.
Since Swedes generally don't believe this they hav nothing to hide and won't feel the need to hide what happened.
Maya
Maya3
Well-Known Member
I'm sure it is, but in the summer this gets replenished with a lot more hours of light.
Maya
Skwim
Veteran Member
It would helpful to know what year the data is from so crime rates could be better established.
Not all crime is violent.
Because of various factors, comparisons of raw numbers are seldom useful. For example, take a factor such as community. In the USA we find that.
"During 1998 urban residents experienced
overall violent crime, rape and
sexual assault, robbery, aggravated
assault, and simple assault, and
personal theft at higher rates than
suburban or rural residents. Urban
households also sustained overall
property crime, burglary, motor vehicle
theft, and theft at higher rates than
suburban or rural households.
The average annual 1993-98 violent
crime rate in urban areas was about
74% higher than the rural rate and
37% higher than the suburban rate.
Urban violent crime victims were
more likely than suburban or rural
crime victims to be victimized by a
stranger (respectively, 53%, 47%,
and 34% of violent crime victims)."
source
Although it's not fair to take these percentages and paste them onto other countries, because these differences between urban and rural percentages are substantial,overall violent crime, rape and
sexual assault, robbery, aggravated
assault, and simple assault, and
personal theft at higher rates than
suburban or rural residents. Urban
households also sustained overall
property crime, burglary, motor vehicle
theft, and theft at higher rates than
suburban or rural households.
The average annual 1993-98 violent
crime rate in urban areas was about
74% higher than the rural rate and
37% higher than the suburban rate.
Urban violent crime victims were
more likely than suburban or rural
crime victims to be victimized by a
stranger (respectively, 53%, 47%,
and 34% of violent crime victims)."
source
I believe they do point to a valid generalization.
So how does this impact the difference between Sweden and India?
Well, the rural population in Sweden is 17%
While that of India is 74%
source
So at the outset we'd expect to see a substantial difference in crimes rates between the two due to just this factor alone.
Obviously, there's more to the picture than the raw data. And it would be foolish to draw any conclusions from it alone, or by considering only a couple of factors. Comparing any aspect of Swedish society to that of India is comparing apples to oranges. Don't do it, at least without factoring in every variable.
johnsweeting
Member
It is funny to hear you defend that a country that has 133 times more population and almost the same amount the number of crime and think the numbers are accurate...hehe..keep on going...
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
i can see that choosing Sweden as perfect example isn't working as there are many domestic problems in the society itself if we
had to investigate the inside before seeing how beautiful is the outside.
A through reading of the report about violence against women in Sweden written by Lizette Alvarez in New York Times will give us a clue that the comparison between countries based on religion can't make any significance.
Sweden faces facts on violence against women
But there is one significant blot on the record of women's empowerment here: domestic violence, a crime that until recently remained muffled in shame. Swedish men are not any more violent toward women in Sweden than the men of most other West European countries are toward their countrywomen. It has simply been easier for them to get away with violence against wives and girlfriends, experts and politicians said, and harder for women to get the help they need. Attitudes about wife-beating have been slow to change, they say.
In an unforeseen twist, Sweden's well-guarded sense of privacy and its leadership on women's rights served for many years to mute, rather than elevate, the issue into the public sphere. Rather than boldly tackle the pattern of violence, many people in Sweden took a different approach: they dismissed it as the sort of thing that happens somewhere else and to someone else.
"The equality thing put a wet blanket over the issue," said Eva Hassel Calais, assistant to the chairwoman of the National Organization for Women's Shelters.
Read More http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/world/europe/29iht-letter-4909045.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
had to investigate the inside before seeing how beautiful is the outside.
A through reading of the report about violence against women in Sweden written by Lizette Alvarez in New York Times will give us a clue that the comparison between countries based on religion can't make any significance.
Sweden faces facts on violence against women
But there is one significant blot on the record of women's empowerment here: domestic violence, a crime that until recently remained muffled in shame. Swedish men are not any more violent toward women in Sweden than the men of most other West European countries are toward their countrywomen. It has simply been easier for them to get away with violence against wives and girlfriends, experts and politicians said, and harder for women to get the help they need. Attitudes about wife-beating have been slow to change, they say.
In an unforeseen twist, Sweden's well-guarded sense of privacy and its leadership on women's rights served for many years to mute, rather than elevate, the issue into the public sphere. Rather than boldly tackle the pattern of violence, many people in Sweden took a different approach: they dismissed it as the sort of thing that happens somewhere else and to someone else.
"The equality thing put a wet blanket over the issue," said Eva Hassel Calais, assistant to the chairwoman of the National Organization for Women's Shelters.
Read More http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/world/europe/29iht-letter-4909045.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Similar thing with domestic problems in Norway as violence grows in the society as reported by
Norwegian media (Nina's News - Views and News from Norway) will lead us to the same point.
Violence grows in Norwegian homes
An estimated 20,000 women are subjected to violence and abuse in Norway every year, and officials are sounding alarms that the numbers are rising. Reports of violence within the home tripled from 2006 to 2009, according to national crime unit Kripos.
Read More Violence grows in Norwegian homes : Views and News from Norway
Norwegian media (Nina's News - Views and News from Norway) will lead us to the same point.
Violence grows in Norwegian homes
An estimated 20,000 women are subjected to violence and abuse in Norway every year, and officials are sounding alarms that the numbers are rising. Reports of violence within the home tripled from 2006 to 2009, according to national crime unit Kripos.
Read More Violence grows in Norwegian homes : Views and News from Norway
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YouOnlyScienceOnce
Member
Atheism = higher education = stronger economy = profit
That's a great point.
Skwim
Veteran Member
I'm defending common sense, something you've probably never heard of, but am suggesting you seek out nonetheless.
I just saw an article on msn.com that says Latin American countries have the world's happiest people. Here's the link.
The caption to the article read:
Some Latin Americans said their culture tends to focus on positives such as friends, family and religion, despite daily lives that can be grindingly difficult.
The article points out Western European countries like France and Germany did not do well on the list of countries with the happiest people. Religion in Latin America tends to be heartfelt and quiet. Not the boisterous non-sense spewed by fundamentalist Christians (i.e. Huckabee types) and fundamentalist Muslim types.
The caption to the article read:
Some Latin Americans said their culture tends to focus on positives such as friends, family and religion, despite daily lives that can be grindingly difficult.
The article points out Western European countries like France and Germany did not do well on the list of countries with the happiest people. Religion in Latin America tends to be heartfelt and quiet. Not the boisterous non-sense spewed by fundamentalist Christians (i.e. Huckabee types) and fundamentalist Muslim types.
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So... you think all "religious people" are the same? You think that all expressions of religiosity are the same? That people seeking truth and meaning in life is not universal? That any particular social phenomena is the result of a single variable instead of a complex pattern?
Seriously? :sarcastic
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The first part of learning science is that correlation does not imply causation. Our species has proven that religion is not required nor a prerequisite for violence, corruption, or being a bad person.
As if that is actually the case. Many atheist do not obtain a higher education, and many theist do. Such statistics that find atheist are more likely to obtain a higher education are skewed, because people of higher intellegence are more likely to obtain a higher education. But it's simply foolish to believe there are no high intelligence theist and no low intelligence atheist. And of course there must just be no way a religious society can make very significant contributions, even though some of the most significant and monumental contributions to society have been achieved by religious societies.
I think it's more fun to continue his little trail of equivocations:
Atheism = higher education = stronger economy = profit = greed = exploitation = disparity = suffering = collapse
That's pretty much where my brain went. When I hear "stronger economy" I think "yet more irresponsible overexploitation of natural resources that will eventually bring about the collapse of human civilization as we know it." Particularly when "profit" is attached to the word.
I guess that is true. But there are such strong downsides to it.
China is just an example of why I think that being religious/non-religious isn't an accurate yardstick for measuring how much freedom (or lack thereof) a country has. The fact that there are non-religious democracies doesn't mean that being non-religious guarantees being better off than if said countries were religious.
Picking a sample from either extreme end of the spectrum will inevitably give an inaccurate image. There are countries in which the majority of people are believers that have more religious freedom than countries in which a relatively high percentage of people are non-religious (e.g., the US or England compared to China or North Korea).
If you want to go down that road, maybe it'd be fairer to compare non-religious democracies to religious ones, as opposed to picking poor examples of religious countries and comparing them to the best examples of non-religious countries (and vice versa).
johnsweeting
Member
You are unfortunately right about your stats that violence against women has increased in Sweden but compared to many countries it is still pretty good. All countries have this problem. I have read many articles about this and the major factor to the increase is violence with immigrants from Iraq, Afhganistan and Somalia. There have been four "honor" killings that has been written a lot about in the papers the last few years The most famous one included an Iraqi girl who wanted to live like a Swedish girl but the family was totally against it...It escalated and it ended up in murder. The father is now in prison for the rest of his life. The other famous case was an Afghan woman who had similar problems as the Iraqi girl and she also ended up dead which was terrible. The father in this case and the girls uncle also got "life in prison". The other two famous cases include two other Iraqi women...
If it is something we have a problem with in Sweden then it is integration among the immigrant population. Sweden is not perfect...I have never said that....
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