InChrist
Free4ever
Thanks for expressing your thoughts. Post #19 above expresses mine concerning Christian Nationalism.
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Concerned About Sharia
- Thread starter InChrist
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That's why pesky secular laws rule sane first world nations. Sharia law can't violate secular law. It's also why Christian nationalism is a threat in the USA.
In countries run by fanatics that certainly happens. But in general what is meant by sharia is complex Sharia - Wikipedia
For example, there are banks in the US that are run by Islamic principles of not charging interest but are structured differently. "Halal" food is part of sharia like kosher is for observant Jews.
Personally a member of any religion who wants to work on living up to the highest ethical and moral standards of that religion without imposing it on others is someone whom I applaud. And I know such people in every major religion.
Yerda
Veteran Member
I'm not worried the UK will adopt Sharia law, no.Do you have any concerns about fundamental Sharia law being implemented in your country or area?
Ruth Robert on Islam and Canada
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I am a bit concerned when any other country does though. I don't think the scriptures of Islam are a sound basis for a robust, modern legal system and I don't think human beings flourish under the authority of religious zealots.
^^^ THIS ^^^
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Do you have any concerns about fundamental Sharia law being implemented in your country or area?
Ruth Robert on Islam and Canada
No, not really. As as Dane I am more concerned about the far right in all its variants and that includes some religious worldviews other than Sharia.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
If I lived in Iran I'd be concerned about the power of clerics in the Islamic Republic*. But I live in the UK. I'm far more worried about the alarming drift to the right I see here and across Europe. The influence of the far right is actively exacerbated by alarmist nonsense about the non-existent threat of Sharia Law in Europe. We saw this at work during the London Mayoral Election, when Islamophobic slurs were constantly aimed at Mayor Sadiq Khan, a tolerant, progressive politician, who happens to be Moslem. Fortunately, the people of London saw through that nonsense.
*Iran's system of government is actually a far cry from what most Americans assume it to be btw.
*Iran's system of government is actually a far cry from what most Americans assume it to be btw.
Eventually, but not in the short term in my view.Do you have any concerns about fundamental Sharia law being implemented in your country or area?
Ruth Robert on Islam and Canada
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Nope. More concerned about the obvious rise of Christian nationalism. Islamic sharia is utterly impossible at this point, in the US that is.Do you have any concerns about fundamental Sharia law being implemented in your country or area?
Ruth Robert on Islam and Canada
MayPeaceBeUpOnYou
Active Member
lol thats totally false, shariah law allows people being killed for not converting to Islam?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I understand. However, given the totality of Christian history, we would be foolish not to be concerned about it.
Its not totally false if it's partially true. You quoted a sentence which included the statement that a person may be killed if they leave Islam in addition to if they fail to join. Some shariahs do insist that people be killed for leaving Islam in my view.
MayPeaceBeUpOnYou
Active Member
Isn’t it aga
Sorry I don’t get it. How can a person fail to join Islam and at the same time leave Islam. I assume you are talking about 2 different scenarios.
Sure if a country is under the shariah law there are certain things you can’t do when a person decides to leave the Islam . And when they break this law then they would be punished according to that. But there is nothing in shariah law that tells a person has to become Muslim and that’s why I responded to this sentence. And to be more correctly if a person do decide to leave Islam and doesn’t break the law then he or she shouldn’t be harm.
What I am saying is that you quoted a sentence with two propositions, said "thats totally false" then only refuted one of the propositions.
As for your statement that if a person does decide to leave Islam and doesn't break the law that seems to me to be only one version of shariah. In my view there are others where leaving Islam itself appears to be breaking the law;
'Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ردة, romanized: ridda or ارتداد, irtidād) is commonly defined as the abandonment of Islam by a Muslim, in thought, word, or through deed. It includes not only explicit renunciations of the Islamic faith by converting to another religion[1] or abandoning religion,[1][2][3] but also blasphemy or heresy by those who consider themselves Muslims,[4] through any action or utterance which implies unbelief, including those who deny a "fundamental tenet or creed" of Islam,[5] An apostate from Islam is known as a murtadd (مرتدّ).[1][6][7][8][9]
While Islamic jurisprudence calls for the death penalty of those who refuse to repent of apostasy from Islam,[10] what statements or acts qualify as apostasy and whether and how they should be punished, are disputed among Islamic scholars.[11][3][12]'
Source: Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia
MayPeaceBeUpOnYou
Active Member
Alright I understand
The leaving of Islam itself isn’t a crime. For god it’s obviously is but not under shariah law.
For example if someone decides to reject god and its prophet without telling to someone , he could never be punished for this crime.
In an other scenario when a person does decide to leave Islam and for example encourage others to do the same then this is considered to be a crime. So it depends on case by case.
I don't worry about it.Do you have any concerns about fundamental Sharia law being implemented in your country or area?
Ruth Robert on Islam and Canada
USA is a constitutional republic.
It has its problems with lawless politicians,
but I don't see Muslims taking control.
The other 2 Abrahamics religions though
are a bigger threat.
Christians yes. Jews? You need to sleep off whatever caused you to insinuate that.
You need to open your eyes, eschew veneration
of a religion/people, & examine what the bulk
of them actually perpetrate, eg, apartheid & now
genocide in Gaza. Recognize also that Jews &
Christians work in concert with each other,
with the latter being the 500# gorilla.
Liberals....so many of you are comfortable with
demonization of Muslims, even in cases where
they cause no trouble....but oh, do nostrils flare
when any dare criticize God's Chosen People &
the Jewish State for perpetrating evil against
Muslims. Such vile & deadly hypocrisy.
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With Shariah things like honor killings which are abhorrent are legal. These kinds of laws came from fanatical clerics not God or religion so many of these laws are unjust and not fit for civilisation. Also the term to dress ‘modestly’ has resulted in covering women head to toe. So shariahs weakness is that it is based on human interpretation of some Quranic verses but most of shariah does not come from the Quran but Muslim clerics and scholars. That is why it is so controversial and confusing and not fit for the modern world.Do you have any concerns about fundamental Sharia law being implemented in your country or area?
Ruth Robert on Islam and Canada
In the religion of Islam, similarly, not every ordinance was explicitly revealed; nay not a tenth part of a tenth part was included in the Text; although all matters of major importance were specifically referred to, there were undoubtedly thousands of laws which were unspecified. These were devised by the divines of a later age according to the laws of Islamic jurisprudence, and individual divines made conflicting deductions from the original revealed ordinances.(Abdul-Baha)
MayPeaceBeUpOnYou
Active Member
Who told you that?