Confessing Jesus as Lord

[wizanda]

Why are Christians against the bible?

Because many of them are ignorant sheep, who don't really question it for them self.... Paul contradicts Yeshua on well over 36 points, and the gospel of John is made up.

Thus they tell you believe in his name due to John, and believe in his death due to Paul....

Yet Yeshua said in the synoptic gospels, "many will come saying we did and that in your name; but the master of the house will say depart from me you Workers of Iniquity, i do not know you."

The reason Christians assert you've got to say, "he is God", is because it is built on such shaky foundations, maybe if they get enough people agreeing, it will confirm it is true for them in their mind.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Jesus is the Son of God just like we are all Children of God,

Where do you get that notion from?

John 8:43-44 (ESV Strong's) 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires.

John 1:12-13 (ESV Strong's) 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Romans 9:8 (ESV Strong's) 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

Philippians 2:14-15 (ESV Strong's) 14 Do all things without grumbling or disputing, 15 that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,

1 John 3:1 (ESV Strong's) 1 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him.

1 John 3:10 (ESV Strong's) 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

It is very clear that NOT every human is a child of God!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

One huge point is that Jesus INSTRUCTED people to pray to God "OUR Father". Not "only MY Father". Not - pray through ME! Nope - we're all supposed to DIRECTLY PRAY TO THE DIVINE and not use intermediaries.

John 14:6 (ESV Strong's) 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 14:13-14 (ESV Strong's) 13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

John 15:16 (ESV Strong's) 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

John 16:23-24 (ESV Strong's) 23 In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you. 24 Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.

1 Timothy 2:5 (ESV Strong's) 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

Hebrews 9:15 (ESV Strong's) 15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant,

Hebrews 12:24 (ESV Strong's) 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

Sure sounds to me like Christians have an Mediator!

 

[rusra02]

I agree with you. Romans 10:9 show clearly Jesus is not God, but rather that God raised Jesus from the dead. The false trinity doctrine has clouded and darkened the minds of millions as to who the true God is, IMO.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I agree with you. Romans 10:9 show clearly Jesus is not God, but rather that God raised Jesus from the dead. The false trinity doctrine has clouded and darkened the minds of millions as to who the true God is, IMO.

Since "God" raised Jesus from the dead, then John 2:18-22 clearly shows that Jesus "IS" God.

John 2:18-22 (ESV Strong's) 18 So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

 

[Riders]

Where do you get that notion from?

John 8:43-44 (ESV Strong's) 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires.

John 1:12-13 (ESV Strong's) 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Romans 9:8 (ESV Strong's) 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

Philippians 2:14-15 (ESV Strong's) 14 Do all things without grumbling or disputing, 15 that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,

1 John 3:1 (ESV Strong's) 1 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him.

1 John 3:10 (ESV Strong's) 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

It is very clear that NOT every human is a child of God!

Better be careful about who you say is evil,Karma is a *****.

 

[Riders]

Because many of them are ignorant sheep, who don't really question it for them self.... Paul contradicts Yeshua on well over 36 points, and the gospel of John is made up.

Thus they tell you believe in his name due to John, and believe in his death due to Paul....

Yet Yeshua said in the synoptic gospels, "many will come saying we did and that in your name; but the master of the house will say depart from me you Workers of Iniquity, i do not know you."

The reason Christians assert you've got to say, "he is God", is because it is built on such shaky foundations, maybe if they get enough people agreeing, it will confirm it is true for them in their mind.

Your right, its almost like they're scared its not true,or maybe that they don't really believe so they have to have others confirm it for them.

Its like they're afraid. That's why they says the sinners prayer to get saved too, its a made up prayer not in the bible. It helps them to cleave to it to help their fears.

 

[Riders]

It sure sounds like to me every human statement is not from t

It is very clear that NOT every human is a child of God

he bible.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Better be careful about who you say is evil,Karma is a *****.

I didn't say anyone in-particular was evil, did I?

And, "I" didn't say anyone was evil, the Bible did!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

It sure sounds like to me every human statement is not from the bible.

Kinda like that one!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

It sure sounds like to me every human statement is not from the bible.

This one verse tells you that, "not everyone" is a child of God,

1 John 3:10 (ESV Strong's) 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

 

[Riders]

This one verse tells you that, "not everyone" is a child of God,

1 John 3:10 (ESV Strong's) 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

The bible is wrong, to call humans children of the devel is evil itself, something I reject.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The bible is wrong, to call humans children of the devel is evil itself, something I reject.

Really!? So you believe Hitler, Dahlmer, and all the other "evil" people are your gods children?

 

[Riders]

I'm not calling anyone a devil calling on people who acted like monster and requiring me to defend it I'm not defending anything theres no response you can give to get me to answer to you and your requirements I don't care.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I'm not calling anyone a devil calling on people who acted like monster and requiring me to defend it I'm not defending anything theres no response you can give to get me to answer to you and your requirements I don't care.

I don't either!

I didn't call anyone a devil neither! But there are some "evil" people in this world.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Brian, I really appreciated this:

Where did Jesus ever tell us to pray to him? He said to pray, "Our Father who art in heaven." Yes, Jesus accepted homage from people. But any royalty can accept homage. I can bow my head to the Queen of England and still be a good observant Jew. Jesus never told us to worship him or to pray to him

You are exactly right. And I was gonna like your comment, but then I finished reading it, that Jesus is irrelevant to your life... I was like, "Oh man!"

I hope that changes, some day! Don't let false teachings in Christendom, even the popular ones (like the trinity and hellfire) affect your view that there's no value in true Christianity! You just have search for it! God wants you to (John 4:23-24).

One thing that Jesus said would help people to ID His followers, is not teachings, but love....a love that would transcend all barriers, national, racial, etc. -- John 13:34-35; Matthew 5:44

Take care, cousin.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I'm not calling anyone a devil

Is referring to good people as "children of God", the same as calling them gods? No. So neither is referring to bad people as "children of the Devil", calling them devils.

That being said, People prove what kind of persons they are themselves, by their actions.

Take care, Riders.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Too bad ... mute people, and those who don't know English, can't be saved. Joke's on them!

The Bible was not written in English; it was translated into English.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Why are Christians against the bible? My sisters have told me Jesus is God and I have to believe and express myself talking about Jesus as God.

When I say there are many tittles for Jesus ,they say the bible says to confess with your mouth Jesus is God.

A bunch of Christians have said that to me. This is the exact scripture they are referring to which says I have to tell them Jesus is God as if they were investigating me.

Romans 10:9 [Full Chapter]
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

The exact word is Lord, its Lord and Lord has many interpretations. if I say ok Ill confess him as Lord and interpret lord the way I understand. Nope your not allowed you have to Jesus is God out loud.

Now if your a Christian and get on here and say look at this scripture it says Jesus is God your wrong. I'm not talking about any scripture, yes there are scriptures that Christians interpret as proof of the deity of Jesus I don't deny that.

I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about verbally taking action of verbally accepting Jesus, there's one scripture. CHristians bring it up and say you have to say Jesus is God that's a lie. The scripture says this

Romans 10:9 [Full Chapter]
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

That means you don't believe in the bible.

Period. There's a period there. There are a million different verbs to use to express myself about Jesus, Emanuel, Messiah, Son Of God and when I do that y'all also get offended and tell me I have to say he's God.

I'm starting to think you guys have an OCD about saying Jesus is God. BTW anytime someone says they are a Christian your reactions should be Praise God period. If you go around giving people a Christian test forcing them to say Jesus is God, that's a test that's not in the bible.

ALl it means is your so scared that people are pretending to be Christians that rent and your terrified that other churches who don't have the same laws your does are all wrong, that they are saying they are Christian.

If you had any tiny drop of faith you wouldn't go around issuing out the Christian test to people who claim to be Christians you don't know.

It is just a book, and it sounds like you and those you associate with are placing far too much importance on it.

 

[pearl]

The Bible was not written in English; it was translated into English.

Good to remember. Beyond that, the OT Scripture in use by the sacred writers was the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the OT. The word for God was Adoni-Lord-Kyrios.