confused over Elijah

[bribrius]

the people thought jesus was elijah, because they were waiting for elijahs return. But now i never hear of anyone waiting for elijahs return, but christs return. Does elijah have to come back before christ? I would think so, but im not sure.

i ased a couple christians, and they seemed oblvious to waiting for elijah. Are we supposed to be waiting for elijah or not?

 

[Scott1]

the people thought jesus was elijah, because they were waiting for elijahs return. But now i never hear of anyone waiting for elijahs return, but christs return. Does elijah have to come back before christ? I would think so, but im not sure.

i ased a couple christians, and they seemed oblvious to waiting for elijah. Are we supposed to be waiting for elijah or not?

If I understand your question, no- we are not waiting for Elijah.


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[bribrius]

If I understand your question, no- we are not waiting for Elijah.

Appears my question wasnt worded clearly. i apologize. Yes, are we still waiting for elijah is my question.

Your reply i didnt understand. i read it. But for some reason i didnt quite comprehend it.

It appears to say we are not waiting for elijah. But i dont understand how it says the prophecy was fulfilled concerning elijah. Is that metaphorical or something?

 

[bribrius]

okay, just reading something. So only the jews are waiting for elijah. Apparently most christians are not?

 

[Scott1]

Can't speak to what Jews believe, but agree most Christians are not.

 

[Pegg]

the people thought jesus was elijah, because they were waiting for elijahs return. But now i never hear of anyone waiting for elijahs return, but christs return. Does elijah have to come back before christ? I would think so, but im not sure.

i ased a couple christians, and they seemed oblvious to waiting for elijah. Are we supposed to be waiting for elijah or not?

Malachi 4:5 “Look! I am sending to YOU people E·li′jah the prophet before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah
Elijah lived 500 years before these words were uttered. So this was a prophecy, that the Jews of the first century C.E. were expecting of see fulfilled literally.

but Jesus showed that this 'Elijah' was actually John the Baptist.
Matthew 17:12 However, I say to YOU that E·li′jah has already come and they did not recognize him but did with him the things they wanted. In this way also the Son of man is destined to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples perceived that he spoke to them about John the Baptist.

So the prophecy did not literally mean The Elijah....it was fulfilled by one who performed a work similar to that of the dead prophet.

Christians are not expecting the return of Elijah...those who heed Jesus words know that the prophecy was fulfilled in John the Baptist.

 

[bribrius]

Malachi 4:5 “Look! I am sending to YOU people E·li′jah the prophet before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah
Elijah lived 500 years before these words were uttered. So this was a prophecy, that the Jews of the first century C.E. were expecting of see fulfilled literally.

but Jesus showed that this 'Elijah' was actually John the Baptist.
Matthew 17:12 However, I say to YOU that E·li′jah has already come and they did not recognize him but did with him the things they wanted. In this way also the Son of man is destined to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples perceived that he spoke to them about John the Baptist.

So the prophecy did not literally mean The Elijah....it was fulfilled by one who performed a work similar to that of the dead prophet.

Christians are not expecting the return of Elijah...those who heed Jesus words know that the prophecy was fulfilled in John the Baptist.

How accurate is this section of the bible? I mean , in a for instance. we all know different things were put together to make the bible. Isaiah for example is not thought to have written all of isaiah and parts are by unknown writers from unknown origins.

How accurate is this section above?
Thankyou

 

[Pegg]

How accurate is this section of the bible? I mean , in a for instance. we all know different things were put together to make the bible. Isaiah for example is not thought to have written all of isaiah and parts are by unknown writers from unknown origins.

How accurate is this section above?
Thankyou

The jews were the custodians of Gods Word., In the first century, all the current books of the hebrew scriptures which form the hebrew cannon were accepted by the priesthood as legitimate inspired writings and that includes Malachi's writing.

The fact that the first century christians quoted from it numerous times proves that Malachi was accepted as an inspired prophet and part of the canon of Hebrew Scriptures in the first century too. It is also in harmony with the rest of the canon which adds to its legitimacy and Jesus applied Malachi's prophecy about 'Elijahs return' to John the Baptist. So there are many reasons to accept the book of Malachi as a part of Gods word.

 

[Scott1]

The fact that the first century christians quoted from it numerous times proves that Malachi was accepted as an inspired prophet and part of the canon of Hebrew Scriptures in the first century too.

Just curious... The book of Jude quotes from The Book of Enoch and The Assumption of Moses.

Does this prove they should be in the canon?

 

[Pegg]

Just curious... The book of Jude quotes from The Book of Enoch and The Assumption of Moses.

Does this prove they should be in the canon?

there were many jewish writers in ancient times....these are only two books of many

there is also the books of the 'wars' which relate historical events in Isreals history to do with the wars of the nations around them. The writers of such records may not have been inspired, but it doesnt mean that none of what they wrote were true...some prophets (samuel i think) quotes from the 'book of wars' in his own writings

So the fact that bible writers do quote from such sources does not mean that the source they quote from must be inspired by God too. The truth is that God only used certain people, 40 in all, to write a specific message from him....only those 'inspired' writings are rightfully included in the cannon.

 

[Scott1]

Just wondering .... FYI, using phrases like "this proves" when you don't mean it can be a bit confusing.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Pegg]

Just wondering .... FYI, using phrases like "this proves" when you don't mean it can be a bit confusing.

Thanks for the clarification.

when i said 'this proves the book of Malachi was accepted by Christians' i did mean 'proves'

if Jesus could be fooled into accepting a false word, then we can all be fooled. Im sure you dont believe Jesus would have used the prophecy if he didnt believe Malachi was a legitimate prophet. To me, his use of the book does prove that he believed it to come from an authentic prophet.

 

[bribrius]

Matthew 17:12 However, I say to YOU that E·li′jah has already come and they did not recognize him but did with him the things they wanted. In this way also the Son of man is destined to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples perceived that he spoke to them about John the Baptist.




what of this part for accuracy and legitamacy? History of mathew? Thankyou very much for the response on malachi.
Im just trying to see of any flaws in the elijah prophecy, and the discrepancy on some appear to be waiting for him still and others do not.

This is of particuliar interest to me, as im not sure if i believe in elijahs future return, elijah already returned, or elijah something else.

Trying to understand the supporting evidence.

 

[Pegg]

Matthew 17:12 However, I say to YOU that E·li′jah has already come and they did not recognize him but did with him the things they wanted. In this way also the Son of man is destined to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples perceived that he spoke to them about John the Baptist.




what of this part for accuracy and legitamacy? History of mathew? Thankyou very much for the response on malachi.
Im just trying to see of any flaws in the elijah prophecy, and the discrepancy on some appear to be waiting for him still and others do not.

This is of particuliar interest to me, as im not sure if i believe in elijahs future return, elijah already returned, or elijah something else.

Trying to understand the supporting evidence.

the overwhelming testimony of early church historians confirm the book of Matthew to be a legitimate christian document. Matthew was one of Jesus chosen apostles, so he was an intimate acquaintance of Jesus and he was an eyewitness of many of the things he wrote about.

From as far back as Papias of Hierapolis (early second century C.E.) onward, there is a line of early witnesses to the fact that Matthew wrote this Gospel and that it is an authentic part of the Word of God. Its in harmony with the rest of the gospels and it was used by the early church to establish the truth of Jesus life and teachings.

McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia states: “Passages from Matthew are quoted by Justin Martyr, by the author of the letter to Diognetus (see in Otto’s Justin Martyr, vol. ii), by Hegesippus, Irenæus, Tatian, Athenagoras, Theophilus, Clement, Tertullian, and Origen. It is not merely from the matter, but the manner of the quotations, from the calm appeal as to a settled authority, from the absence of all hints of doubt, that we regard it as proved that the book we possess had not been the subject of any sudden change.”

 

[bribrius]

the overwhelming testimony of early church historians confirm the book of Matthew to be a legitimate christian document. Matthew was one of Jesus chosen apostles, so he was an intimate acquaintance of Jesus and he was an eyewitness of many of the things he wrote about.

From as far back as Papias of Hierapolis (early second century C.E.) onward, there is a line of early witnesses to the fact that Matthew wrote this Gospel and that it is an authentic part of the Word of God. Its in harmony with the rest of the gospels and it was used by the early church to establish the truth of Jesus life and teachings.

McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia states: “Passages from Matthew are quoted by Justin Martyr, by the author of the letter to Diognetus (see in Otto’s Justin Martyr, vol. ii), by Hegesippus, Irenæus, Tatian, Athenagoras, Theophilus, Clement, Tertullian, and Origen. It is not merely from the matter, but the manner of the quotations, from the calm appeal as to a settled authority, from the absence of all hints of doubt, that we regard it as proved that the book we possess had not been the subject of any sudden change.”

Any problems in the translations? I really wish i could answer these questions myself but i dont know and have limited knowledge on biblical history.

And thankyou for the responses. God bless

 

[Pegg]

Any problems in the translations? I really wish i could answer these questions myself but i dont know and have limited knowledge on biblical history.

And thankyou for the responses. God bless

if you compare many translations together, you will find very minor differences for the reason that when translating, there are differences of opinion on how a verse is best read.

that doesnt necessarily mean the variances are wrong, but they can be if translators dont commit themselves to translating the original word meanings. For example, the meaning of sheol in hebrew always means the grave...but some translators such as the KJV translates this word in several different ways which can confuse the reader.

its really up to the readers to study the bible and know a little about the original language words and their meanings. We should never simply rely on a translation to learn....we must know a little about the original language the bible was written in to get a good understanding of the meaning of scriptures.

 

[Oak of Justice]

Mark 9:12 Elijah is truly coming first and he will restore everything.

Here is an example of how He will restore everything. Scripture has it;

"Faithfulness has disappeared, the word of God is gone from there speech."

"Sow justice for yourself and reap the fruits of piety".

"Speak the truth to one another, judge righteously and let honesty and peace be at your gates."

"Father, your word is truth."

"Anyone who acts in truth comes into the light and his deeds are revealed as works of God."

The one who enters through the door is the shepherd of the sheep. I am the door, anyone who enters by me will be saved.

You must be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect. If you wish to be perfect, follow me and your treasure will be great in heaven.

 

[bribrius]

Mark 9:12 Elijah is truly coming first and he will restore everything.

Here is an example of how He will restore everything. Scripture has it;

"Faithfulness has disappeared, the word of God is gone from there speech."

"Sow justice for yourself and reap the fruits of piety".

"Speak the truth to one another, judge righteously and let honesty and peace be at your gates."

"Father, your word is truth."

"Anyone who acts in truth comes into the light and his deeds are revealed as works of God."

The one who enters through the door is the shepherd of the sheep. I am the door, anyone who enters by me will be saved.

You must be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect. If you wish to be perfect, follow me and your treasure will be great in heaven.

Personally, i dont think christ is elijah, or john the bapiist was, or the elijah prophecy was fulfilled.
i named one of my boys elijah, i like elijah im a fan. But i dont think he came back yet. If one were to believe the story, i would suggest either elijah will return or he isnt coming back ever. But i dont see how any prophecy is fulfilled. i think they changed around some wording to fit there needs. Paul also talks of how urgent everything is, the day is short, christ will come back now. Like now. Urgent urgent.
Well, that was a couple thousand years ago. I dont think paul envisioned two thousand years. Maybe two months. Not two thousand years and still counting. wouldt be surprised if they just skipped over elijah, changed some words, now considered elijah all set and fulfilled because they were tired of waiting for him and wanted everything to seem more urgent...

 

[Oak of Justice]

Personally, i dont think christ is elijah, or john the bapiist was, or the elijah prophecy was fulfilled.
i named one of my boys elijah, i like elijah im a fan. But i dont think he came back yet. If one were to believe the story, i would suggest either elijah will return or he isnt coming back ever. But i dont see how any prophecy is fulfilled. i think they changed around some wording to fit there needs. Paul also talks of how urgent everything is, the day is short, christ will come back now. Like now. Urgent urgent.
Well, that was a couple thousand years ago. I dont think paul envisioned two thousand years. Maybe two months. Not two thousand years and still counting. wouldt be surprised if they just skipped over elijah, changed some words, now considered elijah all set and fulfilled because they were tired of waiting for him and wanted everything to seem more urgent...

I know the Lord and I keep His word.

How would someone know what Elijah would say and do if he wasn't Elijah?