Confusion with Christian Afterlife

[Draupadi]

So what is this kingdom of God? Is it here on earth? What does the Bible mean by 'heaven' as promised to the righteous ones? For those who believe that kingdom of God is on earth, then where is hell located? Why can nobody see the Garden of Eden anymore? How come the Jews don't believe in an afterlife and the Christians do?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

In Catholicism, the Church is seen as the Kingdom of God - the Church Militant, the Church Triumphant and the Church Suffering. The Church Militant are those Christians on Earth, who are struggling against sin and the Devil. The Church Triumphant are the Christians (Saints) in Heaven. The Church Suffering are those Christians in Purgatory.

It's better to think of Heaven, Hell and Purgatory as different spiritual (non-physical) dimensions in a sort of multiverse model. We are currently experiencing (living in) the physical realm. When you die, your soul begins to experience the realm that it is most attuned to - Heaven, Hell or Purgatory. Much like radio waves share the same physical space but when you tune your radio to a certain frequency, you only experience one, the same is true of the different dimensions. The different dimensions are all "around us" sharing the same space as the physical realm but exist on different "frequencies". For example, the Mass is when the barriers between Heaven and this physical plane break down and Heaven and our dimension become united. During Mass, we enter a timeless space and Angels, Saints and God are all present with us.

I personally believe that the Garden of Eden was another dimension. When we sinned, we "fell" from that dimension into a more dense physical "frequency" that is inbetween Heaven and Hell.

When you understand more about DNA as a harmonic code and consciousness as the foundation of matter, you start to see how all of this makes a lot of sense and explains itself.

 

[Sleeppy]

Kingdom of God exists both on Earth, and in Heaven. God rules everywhere. Hell is also located on Earth. In the same way lies and truth are able to exist within one person, so too does the kingdom of Heaven, and of Hell, exist in each person. The Garden of Eden probably never literally existed.. If it did, I'd speculate it was taken into another dimension away from human access. Jews believe Enoch, and Elijah were taken up into Heaven; they must believe in some form of afterlife, for at least some of us (or their own). They also still expect Elijah to return to Earth. From what I've seen, Jews sometimes adopt theology solely for the purpose of disassociating with Christians.

 

[Pegg]

Hi Draupadi,

The jewish scriptures do not have an afterlife because they believed that God would resurrect them from the grave and bring them back to life on earth.
Isaiah 26:19 “Your dead ones will live. A corpse of mine—they will rise up. Awake and cry out joyfully, YOU residents in the dust! For your dew is as the dew of mallows, and the earth itself will let even those impotent in death drop [in birth].

Job 14:14 If a man dies, can he live again?
I will wait all the days of my compulsory service
Until my relief comes.
15 You will call, and I will answer you.
You will long for the work of your hands.

This is also what Jesus believed and taught:
John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive, so the Son also makes alive whomever he wants to. ...28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.

Unfortunately, after the death of Jesus apostles, christians began to introduce pagan teachings into christianity. They began to introduce doctrines that came from other religions....ie the trinity is from eastern mysticism and babylonish religions, hell is from the greeks and the afterlife is from other nations such as the egyptions and others.

But when you actually look at the christian scriptures, you dont find such teachings in there because the scriptures were written by Jesus apostles and earliest disciples and those writings have remained the same.

The kingdom of God is mentioned in the hebrew scriptures as a real government/rulership over the earth
Daniel 2:44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,


Jesus taught his followers to pray for this kingdom:
Matthew 6:10 Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth
And notice, the kingdom will bring about Gods Will on earth.

As for hell.... it is the grave. That is what it means in the bible. 'Hell' is an old english word meaning to 'cover in a pit'... and it is a translation of the hebrew word 'sheol' which means 'grave' in hebrew.
When Jesus said the wicked would go to hell... it means the wicked will go to the grave. They will be dead forever.

 

[Draupadi]

Kingdom of God exists both on Earth, and in Heaven. God rules everywhere. Hell is also located on Earth. In the same way lies and truth are able to exist within one person, so too does the kingdom of Heaven, and of Hell, exist in each person. The Garden of Eden probably never literally existed.. If it did, I'd speculate it was taken into another dimension away from human access. Jews believe Enoch, and Elijah were taken up into Heaven; they must believe in some form of afterlife, for at least some of us (or their own). They also still expect Elijah to return to Earth. From what I've seen, Jews sometimes adopt theology solely for the purpose of disassociating with Christians.

If hell is located on earth where is it? And what do you mean by the saying that hell and heaven exists within each of us? That is kind of impossible because these are places where people live, not just mental conditions (if I get you correctly).

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

ie the trinity is from eastern mysticism and babylonish religions,

No, it isn't.

 

[Thruve]

In Catholicism, the Church is seen as the Kingdom of God - the Church Militant, the Church Triumphant and the Church Suffering. The Church Militant are those Christians on Earth, who are struggling against sin and the Devil. The Church Triumphant are the Christians (Saints) in Heaven. The Church Suffering are those Christians in Purgatory.

It's better to think of Heaven, Hell and Purgatory as different spiritual (non-physical) dimensions in a sort of multiverse model. We are currently experiencing (living in) the physical realm. When you die, your soul begins to experience the realm that it is most attuned to - Heaven, Hell or Purgatory. Much like radio waves share the same physical space but when you tune your radio to a certain frequency, you only experience one, the same is true of the different dimensions. The different dimensions are all "around us" sharing the same space as the physical realm but exist on different "frequencies". For example, the Mass is when the barriers between Heaven and this physical plane break down and Heaven and our dimension become united. During Mass, we enter a timeless space and Angels, Saints and God are all present with us.

I personally believe that the Garden of Eden was another dimension. When we sinned, we "fell" from that dimension into a more dense physical "frequency" that is inbetween Heaven and Hell.


When you understand more about DNA as a harmonic code and consciousness as the foundation of matter, you start to see how all of this makes a lot of sense and explains itself.

I always figured hell and heaven were simply states of mind, not dimensions or places. If they truthfully are dimensional on the other hand, perhaps ones state of mind permits them there naturally.

 

[Draupadi]

Hi Draupadi,

The jewish scriptures do not have an afterlife because they believed that God would resurrect them from the grave and bring them back to life on earth.
Isaiah 26:19 “Your dead ones will live. A corpse of mine—they will rise up. Awake and cry out joyfully, YOU residents in the dust! For your dew is as the dew of mallows, and the earth itself will let even those impotent in death drop [in birth].

Job 14:14 If a man dies, can he live again?
I will wait all the days of my compulsory service
Until my relief comes.
15 You will call, and I will answer you.
You will long for the work of your hands.

This is also what Jesus believed and taught:
John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive, so the Son also makes alive whomever he wants to. ...28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.

Unfortunately, after the death of Jesus apostles, christians began to introduce pagan teachings into christianity. They began to introduce doctrines that came from other religions....ie the trinity is from eastern mysticism and babylonish religions, hell is from the greeks and the afterlife is from other nations such as the egyptions and others.

But when you actually look at the christian scriptures, you dont find such teachings in there because the scriptures were written by Jesus apostles and earliest disciples and those writings have remained the same.

The kingdom of God is mentioned in the hebrew scriptures as a real government/rulership over the earth
Daniel 2:44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,


Jesus taught his followers to pray for this kingdom:
Matthew 6:10 Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth
And notice, the kingdom will bring about Gods Will on earth.

As for hell.... it is the grave. That is what it means in the bible. 'Hell' is an old english word meaning to 'cover in a pit'... and it is a translation of the hebrew word 'sheol' which means 'grave' in hebrew.
When Jesus said the wicked would go to hell... it means the wicked will go to the grave. They will be dead forever.

If that is the case so all the fruits of our deeds are reaped here on this earth? What about the rising of the dead at the coming of the anticipated kingdom of Heaven and the judgement of people?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I always figured hell and heaven were simply states of mind, not dimensions or places. If they truthfully are dimensional, perhaps ones state of mind permits them there naturally.

There's a thin line between the two concepts.

 

[Pegg]

If that is the case so all the fruits of our deeds are reaped here on this earth? What about the rising of the dead at the coming of the anticipated kingdom of Heaven and the judgement of people?

That will happen here on earth too.

Gods kingdom will bring the wicked to ruin, and restore the perfect conditions our first parents experienced in Eden.

Man will always live on this earth... but it will not always be in a world were suffering and death abound. The kingdom of heaven will bring and end to all the suffering and God will take control.

Revelation 21:3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” 5 And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”

 

[Draupadi]

And how will the wicked be punished?

 

[Pegg]

And how will the wicked be punished?

they will be punished in the same way Adam was punished when he sinned:

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”

Proverbs 2:22 As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.

Death is the punishment.

 

[Draupadi]

Sorry for asking so many questions Pegg but if death is the punishment for the wicked, then why resurrect them for judgement?

Man I need to get a Bible ASAP.

 

[Pegg]

Sorry for asking so many questions Pegg but if death is the punishment for the wicked, then why resurrect them for judgement?

Man I need to get a Bible ASAP.

the answer to that is simple: God is merciful, just and loving.

Ps 103: 13 As a father shows mercy to his sons,
Jehovah has shown mercy to those who fear him.
14 For he well knows how we are formed,
Remembering that we are dust.
15 As for mortal man, his days are like those of grass;
He blooms like a blossom of the field.
16 But when a wind blows, it is no more,
As though it was never there.
17 But the loyal love of Jehovah is for all eternity
Toward those who fear him,
And his righteousness toward their children’s children,



Every person born to Adam is born in sin. We are genetically impressed with sinful inclinations. We didnt ask for this...it was inherited. So even though we all commit sin, God sees the potential in us and wants to give us the opportunity to live by his laws and have the life we never knew.

When God brings the unrighteous to life, its with the hope that they will repent and live according to Gods righteousness.

Ezekeil 18:23 “‘Do I take any delight at all in the death of someone wicked,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘[and] not in that he should turn back from his ways and actually keep living?’



The judgement day is an opportunity for all who have ever lived to live again under Gods rulership. They will be given a second chance at life and God hopes that they will choose life.
Any who do not, will be put to death where they will remain forever. And those who choose life, will live forever as Children of God.

 

[Sleeppy]

If hell is located on earth where is it? And what do you mean by the saying that hell and heaven exists within each of us? That is kind of impossible because these are places where people live, not just mental conditions (if I get you correctly).

When a child goes without food and water, starving and dying of dehydration, their hell is Earth. When groups like ISIS and Hamas, and even the US, or Israel decide to commit innocents to imprisonment and murder- they bring hell to Earth. It is not impossible, because these are both places where people live, and states of being or actions. These places are not confined to one location. They can present themselves anywhere, and to anyone.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

When a child goes without food and water, starving and dying of dehydration, their hell is Earth. When groups like ISIS and Hamas, and even the US, or Israel decide to commit innocents to imprisonment and murder- they bring hell to Earth. It is not impossible, because these are both places where people live, and states of being or actions. These places are not confined to one location. They can present themselves anywhere, and to anyone.

Brilliant answer. :clap

Hell is a state of separation from God, Who is the Source of all that is good and love itself. This state can be experienced during life in the physical realm and can continue after death. I've had a glimpse of it while in the depths of severe suicidal depression. Psychopaths, tyrants, murderers, those who commit atrocities, etc. are all experiencing Hell as well, but in a different way. If they do not turn from their crimes, repent to God and make amends, this will continue after they die.

 

[Pegg]

Brilliant answer. :clap

Hell is a state of separation from God, Who is the Source of all that is good and love itself. This state can be experienced during life in the physical realm and can continue after death.

thats kind of funny because the hebrew word Sheol is translated as 'hell' and shoel means the 'grave'. The bible even says that Jesus was in hell.

Im not sure how it can be interpreted to mean something other then the grave

I guess its just a philosophical way of looking at it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

thats kind of funny because the hebrew word Sheol is translated as 'hell' and shoel means the 'grave'. The bible even says that Jesus was in hell.

Im not sure how it can be interpreted to mean something other then the grave

I guess its just a philosophical way of looking at it.

No, we're looking at it the same way Jesus looked at it. Besides, you know we're not going to agree on this.

 

[Pegg]

No, we're looking at it the same way Jesus looked at it. Besides, you know we're not going to agree on this.

did Jesus look at it that way? What makes you think so??

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

did Jesus look at it that way? What makes you think so??

Read the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus. It was Jesus Who revealed Hell to us.