Congestion of the mind

[Balthazzar]

Lies clog up the mind pathways preventing intelligence and wit. They're like clogged plumbing. The only remedy I know works is to clean them up and to keep them clean. cleaning means to come clean and quit lying. Is this debatable or an understood fact?

 

[Quintessence]

I'm not sure I follow.

From the vantage point of the liar - which seems to be the point of focus here - keeping up with one's lies takes considerable intelligence and wit. One has to keep track of what one believes is the true state of things, as well as keep track of what one has fabricated.

 

[Balthazzar]

I'm not sure I follow.

From the vantage point of the liar - which seems to be the point of focus here - keeping up with one's lies takes considerable intelligence and wit. One has to keep track of what one believes is the true state of things, as well as keep track of what one has fabricated.

I'm sure that's true enough. The counter to this is in the cleared pathways, making data travel more efficient and effective. It's only a matter of time until the liar is found out, also. Beginning with this understanding young would also help validate more intelligent decision-making ability, due to the truth factor being the goal and keeping the pathways clear of the clogs. To not stumble ... Oh what a joy!

 

[Quintessence]

I'm sure that's true enough. The counter to this is in the cleared pathways, making data travel more efficient and effective. It's only a matter of time until the liar is found out, also.

Not necessarily.

There are those for whom deceit and lies are part of their profession - they can and do persist at these activities without being found out. That's sort of the point of espionage in particular, where career spies conduct operations without ever being discovered. It is both effective and efficient if the individual has talent for the craft, clearing a pathway for others to make use of information obtained covertly or through deceit.

I'm not suggesting this sort of thing is sensible or desirable for non-professionals, but it is certainly a thing. Even amateurs can weave deceptions that are never discovered, often with little significant consequence. That's part of why taboos against deceit developed in the first place - it is easy and anyone can do it as well as get away with it. I doubt that there's a single human on this forum who hasn't told multiple lies and not only got away with it but faced no real consequences. In particular, making up excuses for things because our society at large expects "reasons" for everything is one of the most routine and everyday of lies.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Is this debatable or an understood fact?

It's more akin to word salad.

 

[Balthazzar]

Not necessarily.

There are those for whom deceit and lies are part of their profession - they can and do persist at these activities without being found out. That's sort of the point of espionage in particular, where career spies conduct operations without ever being discovered. It is both effective and efficient if the individual has talent for the craft, clearing a pathway for others to make use of information obtained covertly or through deceit.

I'm not suggesting this sort of thing is sensible or desirable for non-professionals, but it is certainly a thing. Even amateurs can weave deceptions that are never discovered, often with little significant consequence. That's part of why taboos against deceit developed in the first place - it is easy and anyone can do it as well as get away with it. I doubt that there's a single human on this forum who hasn't told multiple lies and not only got away with it but faced no real consequences. In particular, making up excuses for things because our society at large expects "reasons" for everything is one of the most routine and everyday of lies.

So, you're suggesting that lies don't clog the pathways for data transfer? I'm guessing you're correct in professional liars being intelligent enough to layer lies over the others, creating a wed of deception. I wasn't suggesting that unintelligent people lie, so don't get offended. I was suggesting lies clog the neural pathways, making it more difficult to process data accurately, which in turn hinders intelligence due to so much junk being in the mix. Tell a lie long enough and it becomes your truth somehow, as inaccurate and false as it may be. Growing up I developed my fair share of mind clogs. I stumbled quite a lot to be honest, but ... I didn't have to. Other more intelligent people must be able to lie without stumbling. It was in my better interest to avoid them, which I still try to do. Here's the catch, I'm required to stay away from trouble. That, or be a stander where others may fall short, which isn't easy to do for most people, which is why I avoid trouble when I'm able. It makes things easier for a guy like me. Some people are more intelligent than I am and are better able to keep up with their lie's without stumbling and getting caught. I've not truly been so lucky. I'll suggest I'm better off being this type of limited anyway.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Lies clog up the mind pathways preventing intelligence and wit. They're like clogged plumbing.

I'm not sure I believe this.

The only remedy I know works is to clean them up and to keep them clean.

I agree. Clean lies are much better than dirty ones.

 

[Balthazzar]

I'm not sure I believe this.


I agree. Clean lies are much better than dirty ones.

I'm sure I don't believe this, also. I state it as a matter of fact in the guise of a possible truth. If you don't prescribe to this line of thought, it's yours to work out ... or not. I do prescribe to the premise of deceptive strategy, but this is hardly the same concept. Confusing the issue can be beneficial in some cases. I prefer to keep my data plumbing unclogged of debris and trash. It helps me think more clearly without the stumble. Lots of people live in denial, running over the same old lies, even after being found out. Denial is a common trait.

Honesty really isn't all that common.