Conservatives call on Catholic bishops to denounce Pope Francis as heretic

[danieldemol]

‘A group of 19 Catholic priests and academics have urged bishops to denounce Pope Francis as a heretic, in the latest ultra-conservative broadside against the pontiff over a range of topics from communion for the divorced to religious diversity.’

‘The letter [by the priests] attacks Francis for allegedly softening the Church’s stance on a range of subjects. They say he has not been outspoken enough against abortion and has been too welcoming to homosexuals and too accommodating to Protestants and Muslims.’

Personally I say shame on the conservatives, better to be denounced by them as a heretic than to betray values for the sake of their praise.

Read more here: Conservatives call on Catholic bishops to denounce Pope Francis as heretic

 

[Twilight Hue]

‘A group of 19 Catholic priests and academics have urged bishops to denounce Pope Francis as a heretic, in the latest ultra-conservative broadside against the pontiff over a range of topics from communion for the divorced to religious diversity.’

‘The letter [by the priests] attacks Francis for allegedly softening the Church’s stance on a range of subjects. They say he has not been outspoken enough against abortion and has been too welcoming to homosexuals and too accommodating to Protestants and Muslims.’

Personally I say shame on the conservatives, better to be denounced by them as a heretic than to betray values for the sake of their praise.

Read more here: Conservatives call on Catholic bishops to denounce Pope Francis as heretic

It makes me wonder if the majority of Catholics are conservative or liberal?

 

[Father Heathen]

So they believe their church speaks for God...up until it starts saying thing they don't like. Whose to say that they're not the heretics? I mean it's all a crock of **** regardless, but it's kind if funny how they expect "god" to confirm to their political views rather than the other way around.

 

[exchemist]

It makes me wonder if the majority of Catholics are conservative or liberal?

The linked article provides an answer, saying the vast majority of Catholics welcome Francis's softening of the previously authoritarian line.

This is the reaction of some old traditionalists but the church is not preserved in aspic, even if it moves slowly. If Francis were not stimulating this sort of response, he would not be achieving anything.

The reality is that the scandals of child sexual abuse have destroyed the authority of the church on sexual morality. It is in fact another Martin Luther moment in some ways. Luther was appalled by the corruption he witnessed in Rome. So the Reformation was the church's fault, really, not his: they had it coming. And in fact the Reformation did cause the church subsequently to get its act together.

A lot of the clergy, from Francis down, now realise they need to approach their flock with a degree of humility and try to lead by example instead of diktat. I was struck by a remark in a Christmas sermon I heard some years ago at the Jesuit church in Mount St in London, at a time when a number of supposed sex scandals (later found to be unsubstantiated) were being investigated by the police. The priest thanked the congregation for being there and said something like "I often think we priests do not thank you, the faithful, nearly enough for your support." That is the attitude we need to see, not this hysterical and legalistic denunciation of the pope as a heretic.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Those 19 should move on and join one of the many breakaway "REAL" catholic churches. They have clearly moved into the realm of dissenters from the Catholic Church led by Pope Francis.
They would probably blow a fuse if the church started ordaining women priests and Bishops, as the Anglicans have done.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

‘A group of 19 Catholic priests and academics have urged bishops to denounce Pope Francis as a heretic, in the latest ultra-conservative broadside against the pontiff over a range of topics from communion for the divorced to religious diversity.’

‘The letter [by the priests] attacks Francis for allegedly softening the Church’s stance on a range of subjects. They say he has not been outspoken enough against abortion and has been too welcoming to homosexuals and too accommodating to Protestants and Muslims.’

Personally I say shame on the conservatives, better to be denounced by them as a heretic than to betray values for the sake of their praise.

Read more here: Conservatives call on Catholic bishops to denounce Pope Francis as heretic

Conservative Catholics revere the Pope. I don't know what these clowns are, but it ain't Conservative Catholic.

 

[Brickjectivity]

More information:
Father Aidan Nichols Signs Open Letter Charging Pope Francis With Heresy

You can follow Massimo Faggioli on Twitter who is a Church historian, Professor of Theology and Religious Studies at Villanova University. He's making tweets about the letter.
Massimo Faggioli (@MassimoFaggioli) | Twitter

 

[Shiranui117]

It makes me wonder if the majority of Catholics are conservative or liberal?

I think it will eventually be majority conservative as the liberals continue to leave in disgust over all the various scandals or otherwise fall away.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I think it will eventually be majority conservative as the liberals continue to leave in disgust over all the various scandals or otherwise fall away.

Quite a few of us Conservatives are disgusted by the scandals, too. It is a fact that the Church, ultimately, will either have to change with the times or accept significant reduction in size and relevance. But to true believers, losing size and relevance is preferable to going against your true beliefs. Where people get upset is when they expect everything to stay the same, AND to keep their privileged position. Over time, you can't have both.

All of that said, by no meaningful definition is Francis heretical.

 

[Shiranui117]

So they believe their church speaks for God...up until it starts saying thing they don't like. Whose to say that they're not the heretics? I mean it's all a crock of **** regardless, but it's kind if funny how they expect "god" to confirm to their political views rather than the other way around.

And the funniest thing, Pope Francis is absolutely in the right about communing divorced Catholics! In the Council of Laodicea, which was also ratified by the Council of Trullo and Pope Leo IV, we see this in canon 1:

IT is right, according to the ecclesiastical Canon, that the Communion should by indulgence be given to those who have freely and lawfully joined in second marriages, not having previously made a secret marriage; after a short space, which is to be spent by them in prayer and fasting.

So, really, Pope Francis is just getting back to what the early Councils of the Church have said on this and is ditching more of the medieval BS that the Roman Church piled up on itself. And the traditionalist Catholics who don't know their early church history are losing it.

Those 19 should move on and join one of the many breakaway "REAL" catholic churches. They have clearly moved into the realm of dissenters from the Catholic Church led by Pope Francis.
They would probably blow a fuse if the church started ordaining women priests and Bishops, as the Anglicans have done.

If the Church started doing that, get ready for another mass exodus. And you think the droves leaving because of the sex abuse scandals were bad...

 

[Shiranui117]

Quite a few of us Conservatives are disgusted by the scandals, too. It is a fact that the Church, ultimately, will either have to change with the times or accept significant reduction in size and relevance. But to true believers, losing size and relevance is preferable to going against your true beliefs. Where people get upset is when they expect everything to stay the same, AND to keep their privileged position. Over time, you can't have both.

All of that said, by no meaningful definition is Francis heretical.

And the best part is? Francis is right about communing divorced Catholics. He's just getting back to the canons of the Early Church. The so-called "traditionalists" who so vehemently object to communing divorced Catholics are the novelists here.

 

[anna.]

It makes me wonder if the majority of Catholics are conservative or liberal?

The majority of Catholics are cultural Catholics. It's likely they don't know the name of their local bishop, let alone what the pope is saying on any given subject.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

And the funniest thing, Pope Francis is absolutely in the right about communing divorced Catholics! In the Council of Laodicea, which was also ratified by the Council of Trullo and Pope Leo IV, we see this in canon 1:

IT is right, according to the ecclesiastical Canon, that the Communion should by indulgence be given to those who have freely and lawfully joined in second marriages, not having previously made a secret marriage; after a short space, which is to be spent by them in prayer and fasting.

So, really, Pope Francis is just getting back to what the early Councils of the Church have said on this and is ditching more of the medieval BS that the Roman Church piled up on itself. And the traditionalist Catholics who don't know their early church history are losing it.


If the Church started doing that, get ready for another mass exodus. And you think the droves leaving because of the sex abuse scandals were bad...

The Anglicans gained more than they lost. Though those they lost made a lot more noise than their numbers might suggest.
And what we have gained is many excellent priests. And those priests that we lost were mostly dead weight, and it seems no happier with their lot in the catholic church, where many catholic bishops have sidelined them.
Both our Arch Deacon and Team Rector (responsible for six local churches and priests) are female priests.

 

[FragrantGrace]

And the funniest thing, Pope Francis is absolutely in the right about communing divorced Catholics! In the Council of Laodicea, which was also ratified by the Council of Trullo and Pope Leo IV, we see this in canon 1:

IT is right, according to the ecclesiastical Canon, that the Communion should by indulgence be given to those who have freely and lawfully joined in second marriages, not having previously made a secret marriage; after a short space, which is to be spent by them in prayer and fasting.

So, really, Pope Francis is just getting back to what the early Councils of the Church have said on this and is ditching more of the medieval BS that the Roman Church piled up on itself. And the traditionalist Catholics who don't know their early church history are losing it.


If the Church started doing that, get ready for another mass exodus. And you think the droves leaving because of the sex abuse scandals were bad...

There's a clause in canon 1 that would make that communion not altruistic in the least.
"by indulgence".
Indulgences