Constitutional Crisis?

[Secret Chief]

"Three in four supporters of Democratic challenger Joe Biden are worried about the prospect of Donald Trump rejecting the US presidential election result if it goes against him.

The survey underlined fears that the president will not accept the outcome of November’s race, triggering a constitutional crisis. Last week two congressional Democrats wrote to the Pentagon seeking assurance that the military would ensure an orderly transfer of power."

More here:

Most Democrats fear Trump could reject election defeat, poll shows

Thoughts?

 

[Revoltingest]

Worrying about such things appears to be a campaign
tool to fire up the troops. Obsessing over sky-is-falling
scenarios is a great team building exercise because
fear is such a powerful motivator. Trump uses it too.
Where would a politician be without a boogeyman, eh.

 

[Lyndon]

Except that Trump has already been on record as saying he might not accept the result, so Trump is obviously the boogeyman we're worried about

 

[exchemist]

"Three in four supporters of Democratic challenger Joe Biden are worried about the prospect of Donald Trump rejecting the US presidential election result if it goes against him.

The survey underlined fears that the president will not accept the outcome of November’s race, triggering a constitutional crisis. Last week two congressional Democrats wrote to the Pentagon seeking assurance that the military would ensure an orderly transfer of power."

More here:

Most Democrats fear Trump could reject election defeat, poll shows

Thoughts?

Well Trump has dropped some hints he might find excuses to challenge the result, e.g. baseless allegations of mail vote fraud, so given his track record it is understandable.

But on the other hand it has to be remembered that Trump is a troll. One of his methods is to say and do outrageous things, in order to prompt outraged responses, which his acolytes in the Trumpy media can then portray as extreme. He wants to make his opponents hysterical and paranoid in order to bring his them down to his own level of irrationality and abusiveness. Then, he feels he is on his home turf and can see them off.

So I think it pays to stay calm and rational and think of this as a chess game, or a cricket test match with a lot of sledging going on.

 

[pearl]

I think Trump is poised to challenge the election results as fraud if he looses, and take it to the Court. In which case if it is not settled by Jan. 20 Nancy Pelosi will be acting president of the US. If he is the cler looser and refuses to leave, on the 20th all his belongings and that of his family is removed. Could be an interesting ride.

 

[Stevicus]

"Three in four supporters of Democratic challenger Joe Biden are worried about the prospect of Donald Trump rejecting the US presidential election result if it goes against him.

The survey underlined fears that the president will not accept the outcome of November’s race, triggering a constitutional crisis. Last week two congressional Democrats wrote to the Pentagon seeking assurance that the military would ensure an orderly transfer of power."

More here:

Most Democrats fear Trump could reject election defeat, poll shows

Thoughts?

I guess it depends mainly on the military and federal law enforcement agencies.

I saw another article linked from the article above: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...bff17a-e966-11ea-bc79-834454439a44_story.html

Reps. Elissa Slotkin (D-Mich.) and Mikie Sherrill (D-N.J.) addressed their questions in writing to Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper, setting a deadline of Thursday evening.

Milley responded to the queries, but Esper has not yet provided answers.

The questions would have been almost unthinkable at any time in the nation’s history outside of the Civil War. The two asked Milley if he was aware that the Uniform Code of Military Justice “criminalizes mutiny and sedition” and if he understood that he was legally bound to follow the lawful orders only of the legitimately elected president.

“I recognize that there is only one legitimate president of the United States at a time,” Milley replied late Thursday.

They also asked Milley and Esper to forswear any military operations launched this fall for political purposes, rather than the security of the country, and pressed them to refuse any order to employ service members in uniform at the polls on Election Day.

The concerns about the election have only grown more pointed since June. In July the use of unmarked vans to pick up protesters in Portland, Ore., fueled new worries about federal overreach. And earlier this month, Trump suggested that he might not accept the outcome of the election if he lost.

“The only way we’re going to lose this election is if the election is rigged,” he said.

In his responses to the lawmakers, Milley made it clear that he did not believe that the Pentagon had any role on Election Day and rejected any suggestion that active-duty troops should be present at the polls. “I do not see the U.S. military as part of this process,” he wrote.

Less clear is whether Trump has the authority to dispatch other federal law enforcement assets or ask governors to send National Guard troops to the polls. A defense official said that Milley doesn’t personally support using the National Guard to provide election security and believes that doing so would contribute to the “politicization of the military.”

 

[fantome profane]

Why are we acting like Trump has any say in this? If Biden wins the election he will be sworn in and he will become President. That is it. I am sure Trump won’t like it, but who cares?

 

[joe1776]

After the Second World War, and the trials at Numemberg, a provision was added to the Uniform Code of Military Justice which governs the conduct of soldiers. The provision states in effect that the soldier has the duty to refuse unlawful orders.

While the word "unlawful" isn't defined, the Army's top brass can refuse to keep a defeated President in office within the provisions of the UCMJ as I understand it.

 

[BSM1]

"Three in four supporters of Democratic challenger Joe Biden are worried about the prospect of Donald Trump rejecting the US presidential election result if it goes against him.

The survey underlined fears that the president will not accept the outcome of November’s race, triggering a constitutional crisis. Last week two congressional Democrats wrote to the Pentagon seeking assurance that the military would ensure an orderly transfer of power."

More here:

Most Democrats fear Trump could reject election defeat, poll shows

Thoughts?

You seem to want to imply that Trump will barricade himself in the White House. Contesting a presidential election results is not something new. Let us not forget Al Gore and the Democrat's uprising in the 2000 election.

 

[Lyndon]

a ballot recount is an uprising, what a stupid statement!!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Worrying about such things appears to be a campaign
tool to fire up the troops. Obsessing over sky-is-falling
scenarios is a great team building exercise because
fear is such a powerful motivator. Trump uses it too.
Where would a politician be without a boogeyman, eh.

I would reword your first sentence to say ...

Worrying about such things appears to be, in part, a campaign tool to fire up the troops.​

But the fact that fear is being weaponized does not mean that fear is unwarranted. If the Trump regime can find a way to steal this election, only a blind fool could doubt their willingness to do so.

 

[Revoltingest]

Except that Trump has already been on record as saying he might not accept the result, so Trump is obviously the boogeyman we're worried about

Both sides justify being frightened by the other side.

I would reword your first sentence to say ...

Worrying about such things appears to be, in part, a campaign tool to fire up the troops.​

But the fact that fear is being weaponized does not mean that fear is unwarranted. If the Trump regime can find a way to steal this election, only a blind fool could doubt their willingness to do so.

Fear is the mind killer.
How so, you ask?
Democrats are frightened of Trump's remaining in office illegally,
but they do nothing about it except agonize over the possibility.
They're distracted from examining Biden's & Harris's records
& proffered agendas. On top of this, they live in a world of
seeing Trump as a person, but paying little attention to his
record in office. They focus only upon what they hate because
this enhances their certainty that he's the Devil, & Biden is
their savior.
IMO, this drove the primaries, & bypassing better candidates
in favor of someone seen as best bet to beat Trump.

 

[Lyndon]

Your so full of it, Trumps record and policies are exactly the reason we hate him so much, but I guess you don't care about drinking clean water or having clean air, or having carcinogenic chemicals being used on your groceries, you love that stuff, right

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Both sides justify being frightened by the other side.

Fear is the mind killer.
How so, you ask?

Actually, I didn't.

Democrats are frightened of Trump's remaining in office illegally,
but they do nothing about it except agonize over the possibility.

That is a remarkably stupid statement.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually, I didn't.

It's a device to answer the unasked question.

That is a remarkably stupid statement.

To word your surprisingly hostile & empty objection
thus is an artful way to observe the letter of the rules,
while violating the spirit.

Their obsession with something unproductive distracts
from things they should have been & should be addressing.
@Shadow Wolf is no friend of Trump, yet she's raised
cromlulent criticism of Biden's campaign being insubstantial.

 

[PureX]

This is the kind of thing people living in 'banana republics' have to worry about. My! How far we've sunk in just four years!

 

[BSM1]

This is the kind of thing people living in 'banana republics' have to worry about. My! How far we've sunk in just four years!

RE: post #12

 

[Stevicus]

This is the kind of thing people living in 'banana republics' have to worry about. My! How far we've sunk in just four years!

The irony is that many of the events and military coups which occurred in those "banana republics" were conceived in the minds of the same military which we're counting on to uphold our democratic principles and the Constitution here in the United States.

 

[Secret Chief]

You seem to want to imply

I imply nothing. I posted an article for comments, mostly likely American members.

 

[BSM1]

I imply nothing. I posted an article for comments, mostly likely American members.

Well, mission complete...I commented.